Santa Fe Texas, 10 killed and 10 wounded by another "Wacko ", this again was at a High School in Santa Fe .
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Santa Fe Texas, 10 killed and 10 wounded by another "Wacko ", this again was at a High School in Santa Fe .
Listening to Oakley on AM640 on the way home yesterday afternoon, he was right on the money when he said “there’s really not much more we can say on this topic”
It’s all been said, and the next one will just be another news story, and the next....
The gun culture is about to change in the states--just as soon as the current generation is old enough to vote. Thats something the NRA seems reluctant to acknowledge.
What I don’t understand is the guns existed when we were younger but no one would think of killing like this. What he changed? Movies ? Video games? Cause it’s not the access to guns. I used to bring a gun in the trunk of my car all the time to go hunting ducks and geese after school?
I'll tell you what changed - society has - I have lived through it and have seen what happened - at one time society was God fearing and had morals - God was kicked out of schools and more and more people began to live as through there is not God - there is no right or wrong anymore - do what you want to do - in the public schools the kids are taught that they are like animals just a accident of nature and when they die it is over - you don't need to account for what you did in this life - I am actually surprised that more things like this don't happen - look at abortion - millions of babies are killed in these clinics and people think it is ok - life is cheap and so when some person kills others - so what - things that are accepted today wouldn't be tolerated years ago - look at the violence and sex perversion on TV and the movies - marriage was once sacred now 50 % of them end up in divorce because of selfishness with the result millions of kids are raised without the traditional family for support and proper up bringing - society is decaying right in front of your eyes and things will only get worse - without God this is no absolutes and the result of quite evident -Quote:
Originally Posted by exgunner
Social media is whats happened.
Media coverage is what happened, this type of thing happened before but it was not as in your face as it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by exgunner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States
1984 and 1966 are number 7 and 8 for ranking in mass killings, 1991 is #6, 1982,1983 and 1949 tied for 15th with 13 killed in those shootings.
They have been going on for a long time, just brought to your attention faster now.
It may have gone on before, but not at the frequency it has been for the last few years. It's in your face because it happens more often. From your link;Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014 that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.
Many may not believe this but growing up in Quebec City we used to hunt snow geese pretty seriously. One day the vice principal ( went to school with my dad ) caught us putting shotguns in our lockers because we were going after school. Well, we were told we had to store them in the closet in his office. Not because it was a safety concern but because he didn't want us cutting class early. The world has changed and not for the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by exgunner
I see where Wilkes-Barre Pa (where I was born and raised) made the list of mass shootings - I remember when that happened -
For trap shooting after school I used to walk in the front door with a shotgun and box of ammo in each hand once a week ... shotgun was in a case of course. The secretary about a month later raised a stink about making sure it wasn't stolen so I had to use the shop door after that since we stored them in the locked closet in the shop teachers room.
They were talking on the news about the criteria and what is considered a mass shooting too, if you look at even Wikipedia you can see them talking about that there and how some include near schools and murder suicides etc. It is a problem but some don't want to seem to take a look at real solutions like having a person trained etc.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/ma...rnd/index.html
there is even a good video of what happens when a person with training is there .... and it was outside a school too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-mother.html
Here in Ontario alot of schools have police visits and some of the idiots out there are protesting that it intimidates some of the kids .... I say GOOD, some may need intimidating then! Those visits may also encourage others but the nut cases police haters don't care about the reality or implications.
In the U.S. there have been 22 mass shootings in schools since the beginning of the year as reported in an article in the news paper , where do these wacko''s come from?, what is wrong with these people down in the great U.S. of A. ?
It's not unique to the US, there are similar issues in many countries. It depends on the criteria, those involved etc. That number 22 is possibly the number they talked about that included near schools, suicides etc. but the US isn't alone. Canada has 1/10th the populaton and has had vans on sidewalks, an attack on Parliament hill, mass shootings etc. my son's school has been on lock and hold atleast 4 times this year already. Nothing in the school but crimes near by.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4166169/d...urders-canada/
or massacres including a van, crossbow, stabbings, gang related....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cres_in_Canada
Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia
Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acres_in_Japan
Great Britain seems to get more terrorist attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain
I didn't see a France has quite the terrorist list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ents_in_France
and massacre list including deliberate airplane crashes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...cres_in_France
There is a summary list here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...res_by_country
We get alot of the US news and almost nothing from the rest of the world so it is a problem elsewhere too but the media only tells us what they want us to know is part of it and the rest is that they do have a problem ... but other than increased security the solution of taking away guns, knives etc don't stop the worst so following up on reports and people's concerns will help for a few but the rest ??????
Brampton 1975 I was 8 years old but knew people at that school that dayQuote:
Originally Posted by exgunner
https://www.bramptonguardian.com/new...ort-of-thing-/
22 is that actual number of shootings at schoolsQuote:
It depends on the criteria, those involved etc. That number 22 is possibly the number they talked about that included near schools, suicides etc.
;www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html
There has been, on average, 1 school shooting every week this year.
We're only 20 weeks into 2018, and there have already been 22 school shootings where someone was hurt or killed. That averages out to more than 1 shooting a week.
Yep, about what I would expect from CNN.... as wide a criteria as possible, the whole country and as many parameters as possible.
The parameters CNN followed in this count are:
- A shooting that involved at least one person being shot (not including the shooter)
- A shooting that occurred on school grounds
- We included grades K through college/university level
- We included gang violence, fights and domestic violence
- We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met
but I am surprised they listed them, disclosure of facts is rare for CNN.... 4 or more were accidental shootings, 1 with a BB gun, they included the dormitories (3+ there) and actually said that the shooter and victim weren't students for one and I am very surprised it wasn't just 3 shot at the March 20th one instead of the truth about an armed resource officer shooting the shooter. Not good, but if you used their open ended criteria you could safely say there were almost 400 shootings in Toronto and almost 600 casualties if you want to open the door to anything, probably higher if you include accidents etc..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto
Reminds me of this "study"
https://globalnews.ca/news/3333517/e...o-study-warns/
"youth" was up to 25 years old and ...
“Injuries from gun violence were assault-related only 25 per cent of the time. That means 75 per cent were accidental and shouldn’t have happened, Saunders said.
Seventy-five per cent are totally preventable by simple safety measures,” Saunders said. The researchers say this is a key message from the study they’re hoping to relay to families, policy-makers and gun manufacturers.
Guns shouldn’t be in homes with children present, Saunders said, and if they are, they should be stored safely, locked away and separated from ammunition.
The study didn’t zero in on what kinds of firearms were used — they could be handguns, rifles, shotguns or “play guns”
"Play guns"... paintball, airsoft......up to 25 .... no distinction on gangs.... that's casting the same kind of attention seeking net as the CNN numbers it looks like.