At the start I fully expected that Ford was going to back up his sound-bites with an actual platform prepared by the smart people in the PC Party. Yet here we are; the shine has worn off and there doesn't appear to be anything under the hood.
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At the start I fully expected that Ford was going to back up his sound-bites with an actual platform prepared by the smart people in the PC Party. Yet here we are; the shine has worn off and there doesn't appear to be anything under the hood.
Who ???
The person who would have run away with a super majority in the provincial elections, looking at the NDP now, with the way things are going don't be surprised with an NDP majority too.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow dog
Yes indeed.
And I wish I had titled the other thread “and this is why we need a PC government”
Re: Ford vs Elliott - Ford *never* appeared to have anything under the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninepointer
It was really enjoyable during the Dion/Ignatieff years to see the federal liberals pick unelectable leaders.
It's not near so funny when its the provincial conservatives doing the same thing.
When you're picking a party leader, too many get caught up in the "who do I like most" and loose sight of the "who could win a general election".
And really, who you like most doesn't matter near as much as who could win an election.
There will be a lot of Ford supports who will have the guy they liked the most leading the opposition for the next four years while the NDP is running the province. Myself, even though I find myself more aligned with Ford than Elliott, would have rather had a PC run province with Elliott as leader.
Absolutely not .It's been easy for Horvath and Wynn to provide a platform that they will not come through on. This has been shown/proven so many times to screw over the taxpayer you and I SO MANY TIMES OVER. If people are stupid enough to vote NDP or Liberal well you know the rest. With Ford not revealing a platform I suspect he will have an awful Liberal mess to clean up and will spend the majority of the next 4 years uncovering the cover ups . People have no idea as to the magnitude of scandals that the Liberal government has created. The NDP will make even bigger promises than the Liberals, not follow through or worse follow through and bankrupt the Province. I think I'll take my chances with Doug Ford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Ford Loses support every day. By Election Day I have no doubt we will have an NDP government. I doubt she will get a majority though. That could be a problem as the Dippers and Libs will work together. In fact I expect the Libs to agree with every bill. I am to the point of giving up on all this cr#p and everybody here knows I'm fanatical about this stuff. These damned conservatives have chosen unelectable leaders 3 times in a row. This party needs to be blown up and rebuilt from the ground up. Elliott won the popular support and would be our next Premier. It's not that I dislike Ford, I think his heart is in it and he's not doing it to fill his wallet but in my world if you can't produce you don't get the job.
The NDP is full of SJW's and activists, I think we are in for 4 years of hell just like BC. God help us.
I feel exactly the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
I may have posted this somewhere in another thread,but,I'll put in here,again,anyway. I think it won't matter which party gets in because the damage is done,irreparably. Ontario is passed the point of no return.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
I really hope your wrong Terry. But then again , you can't fix stupid.
It may actually turn out for the best long term. The liberals have so much corruption swept under the rug and totally cooked books that the winner may wish they didn't. I have no doubt the NDP will pander to the unions in a fashion that would make Wynne blush. 4 more years of incompetence and hopefully an electable PC leader maybe we can take the Province back. I think we're screwed this time unless the polling was done on a younger demographic who don't remember the Bob Rae years.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I thought even the Ontario PCs couldn’t blow this opportunity to dominate this election ... and then they elected Doug Ford.
All they needed was a moderate “safe pair of hands” and a majority government was theirs.
My father in law is a card carrying member who laments the PC fate every election. I tell him until the PCs pick a candidate who appeals beyond their core base they are going to lose when they should win.
Electing a leader like Doug Ford is a calculated gamble. If he wins,we're geniuses. If not.....well,nothing ventured,nothing gained. The net result will be the same and if he loses,it'll occur to the ordinary members that a total remake of the party may be necessary the same way a total revamp of the federal Conservatives was necessary after the Mulroney/Clark/Campbell era. Time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckchaser
CE won the popular vote.
DF won on points. Points weighted by the 416/905
“Go figure”
So blaming the PCs is not entirely accurate. The majority of PCs tried
But as always, the 416/905 is what matters
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gren...ults-1.4571699
Remake the party, they should have won in 2011 and 2014 handily but they brought in Hudak to screw it up, now they bring in Ford to try to replicate the result of the last 2 elections, fun times in Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Not to flog this dead horse too badly but....
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...scal-1.4684590
I was hoping Ford could come up with something to explain his election promises. Pull something out of the woodwork at the last minute to give us some sort of hint as to where he'd find 40 billion dollars.
Nothing. Not a word. You could buy 9 kinder morgan piplines with the hole in this guy's plan. Come on PC Party we deserve better from you.
Election promises ??? That's funny ! When has any NDP or Liberal Government kept a promise(platform). So does this mean that you are not going to vote for him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by benjhind
Lets just get the Conservatives elected and then hopefully the party will work on a leadership review.
I'm undecided as of yet but it is looking unlikely at this point. Ford has promised new spending and reduced revenue but said nothing about scrapping legislation or programs to pay for it. Some are saying this adds up to bigger deficits than the other parties plans.
https://trib.al/BjIYTQ9
I get that most folks here are conservative voters and will likely bite my head off for this, but Ford doesn't offer a lot of confidence for the undecided voter. If I'm picking someone to the job, it is hard to go for the only one without a plan.
I agree with you there, unless the 2 plans that are the other options scare the crap out of you, then it makes it a little easier to go with the unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by benjhind
I agree Fox and I think the ugly spectre of the other two is what will win it for the PC’s, not the way we would have liked to see it go but .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Well if the Libs win or an Coalition we will see no hope of a balanced budget for atleast 5 years.
Same for the NDP but imagine the strikes that they have blatantly said they would never use back to work legislation, look at Univ of York. The Unions will want alot of money to go back to work knowing that is the gov'ts only option .... even with guys calling for a 15% reduction in teacher pay.
https://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...S1XjQ.facebook
and also there is the NDP relationship to Unions.
Well oddly or interestingly Unions are in a business relation ship with NDP through a for profit corporation... no wonder they took the back to work legislation off the table
"what is to stop endless strikes or emptying the public purse".
https://www.facebook.com/citynewstor...5351237181175/
Benj vote with your conscious, you have to sleep at night.
1) No matter who wins, it’s change.
2) picture the damage each could do, envision the worst. How hard would it be to fix the damage in 4 years, if the “worst” come true
3) Assume both AH and DF add on 30b in more debt. From what we can see at this point
AH plans to spend it enriching the lives of public servants, hiring boat loads more.
DF we dont really know, but most of his shortfall seems to be as a result of giving the working class a break.
Both will leave us with a lot more debt, debt we cant afford. One gives the already too powerful Unions more power, more troopers, more Union dues so that those that work for the Union line their pockets. One gives the blue collar workers, beer for a buck.
I'll vote for the government that will slash and burn the bureaucracy to the ground,no mercy,no quarter. I'll vote for the government that will uncover corruption and graft at every level and prosecute to the fullest. I'll vote for the government that will wrench the union stranglehold from the throats of the taxpayer and restore the confidence of businesses to operate without the government fingers in the till at every level............just for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoR
That is what they say now, but no government anywhere should be trusted to do what they say they will do, it never happens because the honest people do not go into politics and if they do they do not win.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The NDP may not be as bad as we think but they may also be worse, the PCs may have their basis covered but they also may be a tire fire, with the way things are going with their "platform" tire fire is becoming more of a reality.
Until the "true" state of our books is audited and exposed nobody should even be proposing platforms. My guess is things are 3x as bad as the Libranos said they were.
Ford is actually being smart in not releasing too much. Hudak put his cards on the table and got wiped out. Don't give the media anything they can spin against you is safer.
Also the PC's only appealed to the Baby Boomers which is now not the largest voting demographic. Some of the younger generation aren't sheep and refuse to vote for a populus candidate who has no idea what he's doing or how the government even works. We don't want a Trump. For a party that calls themselves the Progressive Conservatives thier's absolutly nothing progressive about them. Which they will lose time and time again because their political strategy will never be with the times
The younger generation? Aren't sheep? The ones indoctrinated by years of liberal education? Right.
Ford nation if you haven't noticed is probably the most diverse political movement in Ontario. The PC's even after losing ground to the Dippers still have polling showing an 80% chance of a majority. Simply put ( for you ) that means support in high density areas full of multicultural ridings.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
this a "CBC" poll tracker. Pretty sure they aren't wild about admitting the Liberals are effectively done.
They came back, they were at 70% and sliding fast, they were at 95% or something like that at the start of the campaign and a week to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
The votes do not really matter but where the votes come from. If I lived in the city my vote would have a bigger impact, my riding will go PC handily but Ottawa may go left, either Liberal or more likely NDP, the core urban areas.
Well said Terry.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Here’s an interesting read on election platforms, which is basically my position. I base more on seeing them defend their positions in an actual debate. Horvath did a very poor job of that last Sunday night.
http://torontosun.com/opinion/column...osted-programs
Latest polls, PCs back in the lead
https://globalnews.ca/news/4236201/ontario-election-poll-ndp-soften-pc-lead/
Forum Research came up with similar results, but the left wing media isn’t saying too much.
http://poll.forumresearch.com/m/post/2848/ontario-horserace-may-28/
Poll breakdowns show more broad support for Ford, Horvath’s is more concentrated. I’ve seen models predicting that Ford could win as high as 68-70 seats.
Remember how Rae gutted the MNR and Wynne hasn’t shown are transparency with respect to the SPA account? Here’s our chance to have our say.
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