This was the topic of an earlier thread a few months back. Seems the crown determined that they would not be successful in prosecuting. Good to see that the tresspassers are still up on their charges.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...pped-1.4716423
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/applau...ting-1.3984882
Good. It's high time that criminals learn they won't win.
It's sometimes frustrating when the Crown keeps withdrawing charges like these instead of allowing them to proceed to trial. They do that to avoid a trial which could result in the establishment of judicial precedent in case a jury acquits an accused necessitating the case to go to The Supreme Court. If the acquittal is upheld there,then,armed defense becomes the "de facto" law of the land in every case instead of each case being judged on it's own merits. Even a Liberal-controlled Parliament and Senate would have great difficulty changing it. The word from "on high" is that's to be avoided at all costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Frankly, with this limelight seeking bunch of activists on the SCC the less they have a say on the better.
This is a good signal.
It would be interesting to hear what the “new information “ was....
The problem with this large grey area about self defense, is that it is going to force the "Courts Vs John Public" case to be so huge that the outcome of the case well do more then just convicted or acquit a person. It could end up affecting not only laws around self defence and firearms, but cause changes the charter of rights.
I know that is a very grand statement, but how far will the courts go to avoid these cases? How tragic will it have to be before the case gets all the way to the supreme Court?
With the increase in the numbers of criminals carrying firearms, how long is it going to be till one of the farms gets a visit from a well armed group of them?
Two possible outcomes would create so huge of a event, that the courts could not sweep it under the rug.
1) Armed Gang robs farm at gunpoint and kills people ( if a child was killed god F'ing us).
2) Armed gang "Tries" to rob farm at gunpoint and it starts a gun fight between them and people on the farm.
Now #2 is not as likely to happen just out of the blue, without the right tension in the community.
If #1 happened once or twice, well there is a good chance #2 is just a matter of time.
I'd be curious to hear if all his firearms and PAL were seized, never to be returned?
If the charges were withdrawn,his firearms would need to be returned forthwith and they better hope they weren't damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
We both know that the CFO doesnt need charges to make a persons life miserable? They can just claim "in the interest of public safety" or something to that effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Once the Crown withdraws any charges,grounds for the seizure becomes null and void. They must return any property seized as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
You are right. The fact that charges were laid could result in licence revocation. Charges do not necessarily need to be laid as well. The suspended licence holder can request a hearing to have his/her licence reinstated. It would all depend on the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I'm not sure I would be comfortable shooting at someone because they were on my property, to steal or not. Firing a warning shot sounds like I would go to jail here whether I hit them or not. Now it they threatened me with a weapon that would be a different story. IMO this is getting to close to becoming US style of justice.
US-style justice emerges because the populace has lost all confidence in their police services and courts. It's glaringly apparent in Canada that this has become all too prevalent. When we see the results of cases like those out west where Police were an hour away and ensuing events,it's not rocket science to see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabmgb
They would not likely "Threaten" you with a weapon. They would just "USE IT" on you. If you have to wait till a weapon is used on you before you can defend yourself, you have already lost the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabmgb
It's not "US STYLE" justice. The right to protect one's self, property, friends family, or even strangers is older then recorded history.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Just last week , I spoke with a cop that was patrolling our area [Rural Hamilton], He told me that if he was in the other end of his/their patrol area it would take him 43 minutes to reach us at the best of times .
You don't have to live "out west " to have a rather long lag time for cops to respond, it can and does happen here in good old Ontario's rural areas.
There is presently a trial going on in Hamilton. A guy shot and killed a man who broke into his truck. It’s now gone to the Jury. Should be interesting !Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
http://torontosun.com/news/local-new...-now-with-jury
There was a bank in london that got robbed so many times, they closed the branch. It was across the street from the police station. The police could look out the front window and see the robbery suspects leave the bank, but the cruisers were all 15 to 20 minutes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I have been keeping up with this one, very interesting comments have come up by the defense attorney and [ witness's military ] for the defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
The outcome as has been said "should be interesting " .
I guess I missed this story when it happened? I havent seen any news on it, but as Rick say's, it'll be interesting! Please post the verdict if you hear it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
It has gone to the jury yesterday ?? waiting for the verdict to come out and be published.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
NOT GUILTY!!!!!! Hopefully he can move on with his life without any theats of reprisals but I suspect he would be wise to move and do so quietly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Of course CBC made dam sure to include the "First Nations" card in their headline? The snowflakes will be in an uproar!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...lton-1.4723854
Wonder how they would have felt if it had been a Non First Nation person stealing stuff on the reserve, that got shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I am sure there would be deafening silence from the snowflake/SJW groups.
It would appear that the tide is turning !!
Most times it is not the use of deadly force in self defence that is the deterrent, but the idea of deadly force being used against them which can be the greatest deterrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Hopefully , would be criminals would take this into account and think twice before committing any crimes , but I highly doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Also this may be sending a message to the powers that be , that the public [ jury's ] is changing their viewpoint when crimes like this are committed and the perpetrator winds up dead.
I'm really glad the jury acquitted this man. The annals of Canadian case law are full of cases where juries have acquitted people for shooting and killing perps that were either breaking into homes and/or businesses and for shooting at fleeing suspects. The Crown will lay charges in virtually every instance,though,to test each case on it's own merits. In the cold hard light of day,that's the way it should be lest we lapse into the type of society that shoots first and asks questions later or,even worse,a type of society that couldn't care less and merely stacks up the bodies with little or no questions asked like some Central American banana republic.
I think everyone wants a line, the question is where do you draw it?
I believe in self defence. Killing someone breaking into my car I don't think is justified.
This verdict,in particular,sets a precedent that needs to be closely examined. This was a property crime,not a personal security issue. I'm a little incredulous with the reaction of First Nations claiming "racism" led to the suspects demise. I think they're way out of line with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
They use that card because it works. Apparently in this country it's a get out of jail free and supersedes the fact they are committing crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Get out of jail free? It must not be working because % wise they are the most incarcerated people in Canada.
Then,wouldn't you think that sooner rather than later,they'd smarten up? The fact the deceased was First Nations is absolutely irrelevant. A crook is a crook in the middle of the night. Drawing attention to that fact is bullshyte,but,then again,it's the Toronto Star and The CBC,isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
People are not born as criminals. Something is wrong with the system when a high % of any particular group end up in jail.
Granted that the system is in shambles,but,giving a free pass for criminal activity and special rights as a separate society is definitely NOT the answer. That's the main reason the system is a mess. We've done nothing with "Indian Affairs" except uselessly throwing good money after bad,sowing the seeds of jealousy and hate. We need to completely alter the politically correct "groupthink" because,so far,it's an unmitigated disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I call BS on this one. I know lots of FN people who are not criminals. Criminality is a choice !Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
So, back on the topic of the thread, I read that the charges were dropped because the injury was caused by a ricochet. I find this odd. The fact that a firearm was discharged and an injury resulted would constitute at the very least, careless use of a firearm.... there must be more to this story.....
No doubt. You could write volumes about what the media doesn't tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
What are you calling BS on? Do you believe that any group pre-determined by genetics is more likely to be born criminals? I don't. The question is why do they choose to commit criminal activity.
The same reasons why anyone chooses criminality.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Your Liberal mindset is evident!