caught someone *update*

I went to check my trail cams again this morning and wanted to talk to the landowner about the guy I had pics of on my trail camera.. as I mentioned, i was not going to accuse anyone or assume anything wrong as he could have had permission to be in there cutting tree's.
on my way out i saw the landowner sitting outside so i sat with him and his family and talked for a while... i advised him a couple weeks back that I noticed truck tracks or some kind of vehicle tracks that went back around the back of the property and into the bush.. i advised him this morning that i had a picture of a guy and his dogs and he seemed surprised. i showed him the pics and stated he had no idea who the guy was and that he had no permission to be back in there.. he stated he (land owner) went back there after i mentioned to him about the tracks and looked around hoping to catch him and to see if the guy was back there cutting his trees or if he was back there planting marijuana or something... i advised him that i didn't see him in person but that his dogs were back there last season chasing deer and he wasn't too impressed.. never said anything badly , just that i saw the tracks , now i got pics of him and he stated " no, nobody else is allowed back there"... so, I am posting pics of the guy again as maybe someone here knows them and can advise him not to be there.. again, i did tread lightly with the land owner and did not once, ever tell him that we don't want him there or that we are going to handle anything in any way or fashion... if we do see him, we will kindly tell them they don't have permission but that is it.. just want to clarify that we very respectfully approached this and advised the landowner .. he made it clear that nobody , other than us, should be back there..


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How large an acreage are you hunting here.If its not to large then why not get in there and follow where this ATV went and see what activity was carried out.Was he cutting wood,was he tending a crop of marijuana?

It might also be an idea to get written permission from the owner for yourself and hunting buddies to be on the land which you can show to the trespasser should you come across him.He will probably tell you that your trespassing as a first defense and you can show him your trump card.After asking him who he knows the owner to be by name.I know its hard to confront people you do not know but you will eventually have to do this.

I think this guy is probably "local" because he is on an ATV and running the dogs,unless he unloaded all this from a parked vehicle.If he is local it makes the problem a little easier to resolve.

You have yet to mention if this land is near any public land? Is the land posted from all points of entry and exit.These points you will have to cover "if" you call in help from the MNR or Police.

Hey RICK YOU EVER SEEN THIS GUY?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

How large an acreage are you hunting here.If its not to large then why not get in there and follow where this ATV went and see what activity was carried out.Was he cutting wood,was he tending a crop of marijuana?

It might also be an idea to get written permission from the owner for yourself and hunting buddies to be on the land which you can show to the trespasser should you come across him.He will probably tell you that your trespassing as a first defense and you can show him your trump card.After asking him who he knows the owner to be by name.I know its hard to confront people you do not know but you will eventually have to do this.

I think this guy is probably "local" because he is on an ATV and running the dogs,unless he unloaded all this from a parked vehicle.If he is local it makes the problem a little easier to resolve.

You have yet to mention if this land is near any public land? Is the land posted from all points of entry and exit.These points you will have to cover "if" you call in help from the MNR or Police.

Hey RICK YOU EVER SEEN THIS GUY?

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I plan on walking more of the trails when i go in there again next week... i checked my trail cams and did all that before i spoke with the landowner, i was out there pretty early ( before it got too hot) and didn't want to wake them... i am considering getting written permission this way we all ( there are 7 of us in the group spread out over his 3 properties) have a copy on us... i noticed that there is a spot where the main trail forks off, i noticed today that it looks like tracks went down there.. i will go down there and take a closer look next time i am in there.. the land is not posted, but we have signs here that i will bring out next week and see if it is okay with him that we put them out at the points where i can see he is entering/exiting the bush... i don't know honestly what he was doing in there.. originally, i assumed this was a guy that was in cutting wood .. he has leather work gloves, and looks like a shovel or axe in his trailer... i never noticed any sign of tree's being cut so i will have to look into it further next time in... i would say the bush is about 40 acres, so it's not a huge bush but it's decent sized.. i planned ( if i ever saw him) to name the owner of the bush because only we would know that the owner is now the son as his father is in a long term care facility... i am , like i mentioned, going to type of a letter stating we have permission, the names of everyone in the group, all he has to do is sign his name and that should be suffice.. now that i know he has NO right being in there, i am going to make a good point of checking the area good and see if i can find what he would be doing in there.. i find it odd that my landowner has had this farm in his family for over 100 years, and he has run it personally for over 35 years and he has never seen this guy before... all these farmers see each other and talk, so if a long time farmer doesn't know someone it is concerning.. also, this land is not anywhere near public land.. no real spots that i can see that he would come from.. our road is a dirt road but all around us is paved highway... i will have to look closer when i am in there next.. he is in there doing something.. he has to be close too because like i said, last season i had his dogs in there running the bush but never saw him or heard him... so he has to be close, but it's odd the farmer has no clue who he is... weird...

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Originally Posted by buckluck_9pt

I plan on walking more of the trails when i go in there again next week... i checked my trail cams and did all that before i spoke with the landowner, i was out there pretty early ( before it got too hot) and didn't want to wake them... i am considering getting written permission this way we all ( there are 7 of us in the group spread out over his 3 properties) have a copy on us... i noticed that there is a spot where the main trail forks off, i noticed today that it looks like tracks went down there.. i will go down there and take a closer look next time i am in there.. the land is not posted, but we have signs here that i will bring out next week and see if it is okay with him that we put them out at the points where i can see he is entering/exiting the bush... i don't know honestly what he was doing in there.. originally, i assumed this was a guy that was in cutting wood .. he has leather work gloves, and looks like a shovel or axe in his trailer... i never noticed any sign of tree's being cut so i will have to look into it further next time in... i would say the bush is about 40 acres, so it's not a huge bush but it's decent sized.. i planned ( if i ever saw him) to name the owner of the bush because only we would know that the owner is now the son as his father is in a long term care facility... i am , like i mentioned, going to type of a letter stating we have permission, the names of everyone in the group, all he has to do is sign his name and that should be suffice.. now that i know he has NO right being in there, i am going to make a good point of checking the area good and see if i can find what he would be doing in there.. i find it odd that my landowner has had this farm in his family for over 100 years, and he has run it personally for over 35 years and he has never seen this guy before... all these farmers see each other and talk, so if a long time farmer doesn't know someone it is concerning.. also, this land is not anywhere near public land.. no real spots that i can see that he would come from.. our road is a dirt road but all around us is paved highway... i will have to look closer when i am in there next.. he is in there doing something.. he has to be close too because like i said, last season i had his dogs in there running the bush but never saw him or heard him... so he has to be close, but it's odd the farmer has no clue who he is... weird...

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This might be of some help http://www.ofah.org/wp-content/uploa...wnersForm1.pdf

ok, i cropped the image and did the best i could to sharpen and clear the image.. it is still a little blurred and hazy as he was driving ... sorry, this is the best i could get..

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I would talk to the local CO and give him the pic. Let him know what is going on. Around here, you are not required to post bushlots, but it’s the best idea if you can.

Off-Road Vehicles Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4

Officer may stop driver
17 (1) A peace officer may stop any person driving an off-road vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (1).

Land owner may stop driver
(2) The owner or occupier of land may stop any person driving an off-road vehicle on the land. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (2).

Duty to stop
(3) Every person who has been signalled to stop by a person authorized to do so under subsection (1) or (2) shall stop forthwith. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (3).

Driver to identify himself
(4) Every person stopped under this section or subsection 18 (1) shall, when so requested, identify himself or herself by giving his or her name and address to the person who stopped him or her. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (4).

If you got the permission to hunt and also asked for permission to keep a trespasser out I believe you would be covered under the occupier section of this act.Which reads:

occupier” includes,

(a) a person who is in physical possession of the land, or

(b) a person who has responsibility for and control over the condition of land or the activities there carried on, or control over persons allowed to enter the land

In our neck of the woods,trespassing is an automatic ticket,zero tolerance. Info is turned over to OMNRF for follow up if someone is also trespassing to hunt. Trespassing and poaching is a big problem down here.

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Off-Road Vehicles Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4

Officer may stop driver
17 (1) A peace officer may stop any person driving an off-road vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (1).

Land owner may stop driver
(2) The owner or occupier of land may stop any person driving an off-road vehicle on the land. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (2).

Duty to stop
(3) Every person who has been signalled to stop by a person authorized to do so under subsection (1) or (2) shall stop forthwith. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (3).

Driver to identify himself
(4) Every person stopped under this section or subsection 18 (1) shall, when so requested, identify himself or herself by giving his or her name and address to the person who stopped him or her. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.4, s. 17 (4).

If you got the permission to hunt and also asked for permission to keep a trespasser out I believe you would be covered under the occupier section of this act.Which reads:

occupier” includes,

(a) a person who is in physical possession of the land, or

(b) a person who has responsibility for and control over the condition of land or the activities there carried on, or control over persons allowed to enter the land

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Could also be designated as an “agent”. Too bad the camera wasn’t set up to get a plate number if one is on the bike...

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Could also be designated as an “agent”. Too bad the camera wasn’t set up to get a plate number if one is on the bike...

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exactly what i said when i looked at the pics.. wish the plates showed too...

look for crops????

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look for crops????

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Right On! I was thinking the same thing, what appears to be a shovel in the trailer ???? and no sign of wood cutting .

Set up another camera lower to get plates.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Set up another camera lower to get plates.

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This camera was only 24" off the ground ... just triggered the Camera a little too fast on one pic and too slow for the other... I out the camera to video mode.... IF he comes back, I will get him.... hopefully

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This camera was only 24" off the ground ... just triggered the Camera a little too fast on one pic and too slow for the other... I out the camera to video mode.... IF he comes back, I will get him…. hopefully

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Did you move the camera? It looks like he saw it.

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Did you move the camera? It looks like he saw it.

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Yes I moved it but he would have to work to get it off.... it's lagged to the tree and has a padlock ... if someone wants it they can get it but not without breaking the camera..

second pic looks like he caught a glimpse of the camera. curious to see if he'll go back in there now. I also don't think he's trying to be malicious strictly due to the fact that the camera would be stolen or destroyed for sure. Unfortunately or fortunately I've been cursed/blessed to think of the worst until being proven the best. So this guy is still pretty suspicious to me.

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second pic looks like he caught a glimpse of the camera. curious to see if he'll go back in there now. I also don't think he's trying to be malicious strictly due to the fact that the camera would be stolen or destroyed for sure. Unfortunately or fortunately I've been cursed/blessed to think of the worst until being proven the best. So this guy is still pretty suspicious to me.

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i agree.. he could have tried to pry it off or get it off by some other means.. now, maybe he looked and saw it's lagged to the tree and padlocked... i did have my son's SD card stolen out of his camera only a few feet from this one... his overlooks his mineral site.. i only have this one there for this reason, to catch whoever is going onto the property ... my boy and i are headed out there soon to look further.. also talking to the landowner to see if he is okay with us posting some no trespassing signs... i was just there to the bush yesterday, and in the past week there were no pics of him.. doesn't mean he isn't in there, he could have taken one of the other 3 trails... i intend to get a good look through the bush as it is bugging me why he is in there... it's suspicious to me too..especially that the landowner doesn't know him, yet he has dogs running the bush ( not only in this pic, but a number of times last year during the late season)... of all the times last year i saw those dogs running deer and cruising in the bush, not once did i see or hear sign of any person with them..... didn't hear a quad, chainsaw, no calling for the dogs, nothing... so, he must be close by in one of the surrounding bushes or living in one of the surrounding houses.. ... someone earlier mentioned he could be driving and unloading his quad and dogs on a nearby road, but a vast majority of the nearby roads are paved highways... so it's possible, but at this point, unlikely... at the start, i gave this guy the benefit of doubt but know that i know the landowner has no clue who he is and said he shouldn't be back there, i am treating it now as someone trespassing for some reason.. i am going to take some of the other trails and look for signs of tree cutting, or some willie nelson crops or maybe another stand in there somewhere... who knows.. but i intend to find out..

well, another update.. my son and i went back again last night to look around.. i am really confused at to what this guy was doing in there.. the trail he took by our stands is blocked off about 75 yards past my stand by a really big downed tree... there is a spot where the trail forks off that looked like there was tracks, well it's blocked by some downed trees too... there is , literally, no way for him to get in further to the bush.. when i look at the photos, there is only 5 minutes between photos of him.. maybe he thought he could get in then saw the downed trees, turned around and left?? talked to the land owner again and he was back there twice to look around, he didn't notice anything either... he did say we could post some no trespassing signs so that is what we did... i put up 4 for now, on the trails leading to the bush and the main trail leading into our bush that the stands are on... i also put a trail cam at the trail leading into our bush ( by the black ash plantation) then the main trail that our stands are on... if he comes back, i hope to get a license plate on the quad...

sang hunter?

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sang hunter?

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what is sang hunter? lol

Ginseng hunter.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/american-ginseng

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Originally Posted by rf2

Ginseng hunter.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/american-ginseng

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Ginseng, is covered under the endangered species act, digging it up is highly illegal.

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Ginseng hunter.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/american-ginseng

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oh, he could be.. i never noticed that stuff in there before but i don't look for it so who knows, he could be..

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Ginseng, is covered under the endangered species act, digging it up is highly illegal.

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I don't recall endorsing this practice. I simply suggested that is what he could be doing.

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I don't recall endorsing this practice. I simply suggested that is what he could be doing.

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Never said or insinuated that you did, just put it out there for general info, as many may not be aware of this fact.

Dude probably built a soundproof plywood gimp box back in the woodlot, hence the shovel. Chances are you'll end up in it when he finds you back there snooping around. Make sure you're carrying some granola bars and a candle!

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oh, he could be.. i never noticed that stuff in there before but i don't look for it so who knows, he could be..

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Any chance he hauled in enough stuff to build a deer stand before the camera picked him up? Nobody takes the trouble to go into private property with gear like that just for shytes and giggles.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Any chance he hauled in enough stuff to build a deer stand before the camera picked him up? Nobody takes the trouble to go into private property with gear like that just for shytes and giggles.

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not sure.. that is one thing we thought of when we went the other day to look around.. but all the trails are blocked by downed trees from wind damage... didn't look like anyone was back past those trees... we would have went deeper to look but we put up 3 huge bucks at my stand and didn't want to spook more deer... the landowner let us put up a bunch of no trespassing signs and i moved one of my trail cameras to the main trail that comes behind the neighbors corn field... the farmer has been going back looking around too and so far, we haven't found anything...

dude was probably looking for the root and found none, hence why he hasn't returned.

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Originally Posted by CorporalK

dude was probably looking for the root and found none, hence why he hasn't returned.

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yeah, could be... or, like i mentioned earlier, he could have been in there before and not realized we hunt it.. this is the first year we have permanent stands in there.. he might have seen the cameras and stands and figured "oh crap, there are people in here now".. we do have issue's with trespassers up by our area , especially during the controlled hunts... sometimes these guys might hunt a property and not see anyone in the neighboring property and figure they have a right to go over and hunt it.. who knows.. i am thankful he hasn't been back, and hope he never does..

I'm seriously jealous that seeing a quad on your trail cam is something new and alarming for you. I'm usually just relieved that the camera is still there.

Unless you just got your first cam, be thankful that trespassing is so low in your neighbourhood.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

I'm seriously jealous that seeing a quad on your trail cam is something new and alarming for you. I'm usually just relieved that the camera is still there.

Unless you just got your first cam, be thankful that trespassing is so low in your neighbourhood.

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lol... trespassing is NOT low in our area.. we don't normally get trespassers on quads in our main bush as there are NO trails in there.. we gets LOTS of trespassers walking through there.. Like I have said, we didn't have permanent stands in this bush for the first 13 years, it was a secondary back up spot .. i have had trail cam's and used them regularly for the past 15 years, but only a handful of pics of trespassers.. it's not a surprise that i got someone on the camera, or in this spot, but a surprise that it got a really good pic of his face.. . also a surprise that the landowner has no idea who he is...