My brother just lost his hunting lodge in Northern B.C. to fires. He has insurance ,but he says the real problem will be the loss of habitat. You can build a new lodge , but 20 +- years for a new forest. The animals will be moving on .
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My brother just lost his hunting lodge in Northern B.C. to fires. He has insurance ,but he says the real problem will be the loss of habitat. You can build a new lodge , but 20 +- years for a new forest. The animals will be moving on .
It's not going to be a wasteland for 20+ years. There will be animals that are going to find the open grass covered areas to heaven. It looks bad with all the burnt trees and brush, but that is going to be super soil for growing plants for a long time.
The forest were likely too overgrown to support a lot of animals before, now that has changed.
I know it's heartbreaking, but it's going to be better then it has been.
I agree it is heartbreaking but snowWalker is right the soil will be on steroids for the next growing period and this time next year I wouldn't be surprised to see shrubbery and grasses great browse for big game.
I was out there elk hunting last year in northern B.C. My buddy from out there said at that time, that it was only a matter of time before the thousands of acres of dead pine caught fire. The pine beetles did a number on the trees, dead trees as far as you could see. The fires are probably a good thing in the long term.
Sad. But nature takes care of itself. Good things to come.
Climate change don't ya know? Because forest fires didn't happen until people kind came along, and the ice age didn't end until early man ( oops early people) discovered fire right? :silly:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
People Kind! Oh No--its spreading!
Does that mean that I will be told I am "Person spreading" now not man spreading?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Sharon, tell you brother to take pictures every month of the same areas for the next few years. The transformation of the landscape will be amazing, plus the more pictures he takes the better the photo records of the regrowth will be.
I don't tell my brother to do anything , ever. :)
Appreciate the answers, but not convinced. The animals he hunts are moose,elk and deer. They eat leaves on branches. There are no branches or leaves for many kms.
There will be next year
Elk are grazers..... depending on the terrain it might be a bonus and if he is offering deals for next year and has some big ones in the area let me know. At this time I have no idea if I could actually arrange it but it might be tempting. Don't ask what my summer was like for fishing etc. .... that answer wouldn't bode well for it (actually it stinks) but I would be interested in learning more... even if it is probably just a wish list item
https://elknetwork.com/return-burn-a...-fire-burning/
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/fire...ces/fire/13149
In two or three years he will have great moose habitat. The only downside is that the area will be so tough to walk because of downed, unburnt trees that it will be almost impossible to walk through.
cutting trails will have two benefits, easy movement to and from areas they want to use and as the animals return they will use the trails to move around the area. Just like you or I would walk around on the easy to walk trails so will the animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
And lots of free fire wood...
Thanks for the opinions. Enjoyed those links Mosquito.
In order to cut trails on Crown Land , A permit is usually required, at least in Ontario it is .Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker;1066589[B
https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-work-permits
Men fined for cutting trail over Crown Land. ... Paul Van Erp was fined $20,000 for damaging endangered species habitat, $8,000 for constructing a trail on Crown land without a permit and $5,000 for violating a stop work order, according to a Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) press release.
It is also illegal in B.C.
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/archiv...p/t-68770.html
Here is the true answer:
Building new trails in 2011 in BC on Crown Land is ILLEGAL unless you have a permit. What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
Gatehouse gave the accurate answer way back at the beginning of this thread. It doesn't matter if you are cutting timber or not, unauthorized trail building is illegal. The problems with poorly planned trails include diverting water onto unstable slopes, and degradation of areas with moist to wet soils. Anyone in the Nelson area who has been into Hazeldeane lake knows what I mean (braided quad tracks, mud pits where seepage meadows used to be). I also understand that the govt enforcement folks have been directed to pay more attention to this, based on complaints from the public.
I can't think of a worse possible place to try to cut a trail. When those trees eventually fall they're criss-crossed and many are suspended anywhere from knee to shoulder height. I used to enjoy a good days work with a chainsaw but I do have my limits.
Yep,downed trees under pressure move faster than we can. One of our guys was standing on a small blow-down when it released. He went for quite the ride. He was lucky it was just small. I hate to imagine if it was a full size,he'd have likely been in orbit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
If he's running a lodge then the is an area around it that he can do things. Just after a big fire, he asks if he can cut some trails and clear out dead trees, I can't see him not getting permission.
As for the blowdowns, and bad spots, figure out work arounds for them and don't be stupid. After the snow falls there are a few ways safer ways to release the logs under tension, then cutting with a saw.
And it's absolutely amazing that a moose can go through that? I put up a cow onetime at the edge of a cut. There was an uncut strip maybe 2 hundred yards between the cut and a river. It was full of blow downs, as you say, knee high to 8 feet high. That cow went thru that without hesitation, bellowing all the way. I went down and tried to follow to the river and gave up after 10 yards?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Only IF he actually owns the land, most lodges are still on leased land , which is still Crown Land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker;1066623[B
Presently in Alberta (30 kms north of edmonton) can not believe the amount of smoke in the air, they say equal to smoking 7 cigarettes. The sun is just a red spot in the sky. Has been this way for best part of last two weeks. Can only imagine how many and the size of the burn in BC to carry here. Wonder how wildlife can get out of the path ?
If he "OWNED" the land, there would be no need to get permission. If it is leased he can ask for and get permission.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Sharon, I was in Yellowstone a few years after 1/3 of the entire park burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
It was lush, green.
Sure, forest was gone but the elk and buffalo loved all that open grass and sapling growth.
Rangers said the fire was the best things for decades to boost the elk poulation.
I am sure that Sharon's brother living out there and being in the business for many years, knows all the rules concerning the use of "crown land " or if it's his, much better than either you or I .Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Absolutely. And it's worth the mention so thank you for pointing it out. You'd hate to see someone get fined if they can avoid doing the act in the first place. I'm sure your mention is something Sharon will keep in mind next time she touches base with her brother. She doesn't tell him to do anything, but I'm sure they're capable of conversation to some degree and she might pass along the info :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Yes, he would. Just encouragement for sharon that things will get better, but it's also a good time to take advantage of the chance to do things he would like to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Always been hard to get around to the southern slope of the next range for example, but with the trees burned off, he can now maybe see two or three routes.
"Sure would have been easier to fight that fire over there if there had been a couple decent trails. Maybe you guys in the ministry should cut a few? I could scout out the routes and hack a foot path in the mean time."
Government loves to find people that will work for "free".:shades: but the payback for the lodge would be worth a lot in access and great hunts.
Not from what I have been told, they would rather have people stay out of their way , because if a civilian gets hurt they then can say "we were doing this for the Gov. , and law suits are initiated.Quote:
Government loves to find people that will work for "free". but the payback for the lodge would be worth a lot in access and great hunts.
That is why they contract out their work.
Your being a stick in the mud. Giving a lodge owner permission to cut, clear, or fix trails is not a "Contract", and nor is the Government going to hire a contractor to cut trails for a lodge owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
:rolleye: Whatever you say , have it your way !, but don't forget , it's still "Crown Land ".
Just got out of the hospital again,so not feeling too cheery. He owns the land ,and knows what he is doing. but thanks for the advice.
Best of luck, hope you are feeling better soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
I am sorry to hear your not feeling well.
[QUOTE=Sharon;1066784]Just got out of the hospital again,so not feeling too cheery. He owns the land ,and knows what he is doing. but thanks for the advice.[/QUOTE
Thanks for clearing up that item on your brother, as it ends the discussion.
Also hope you feel better , must have been serious to put you in the hospital.
Yeh, I'm always close to death (heart) but my life is in the Lord's hands so I'm not worried. and I have a great husband who cares for me.
( Sorry to be religious. :) )
That is very comforting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Hi Sharon,
Everything will come back. There are very few animals in Canada which take to old growth forests. Fires are nature's way to renew.
This is a link in Macleans about Fort McMurray. You can slide the sliders back and forth on the various pictures and see how well the vegetation will come back from a wildfire. https://www.macleans.ca/photography/...fter-the-fire/
Dyth
https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...a7&oe=5C2A2E90
my brothers out there in Invermere, BC as a forest fighter during the season. his second year; says one of the worst BC had been hit on the record.
Just reading in the hunting category , that there is a ban on limited entry tags being proposed.
Was one or more of the fires started by a backwoods traveler with an entry permit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon