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Thinking of switching from Triple7 to Blackhorn 209
Gun
Tradition ultralight pursuit have two both have diff threads on breech plug
Primers been using
Federal premium 209s
And cheddite 209 primers
Have quick load tubes
What exactly do I need other than a bottle of BH209
About $80
Go on there Web site and download the load data they have it for volume and by weight when I use backhorn in my 50 cal I choose to use volume and I have the tube that measure it from blackhornQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
You will also need to change your primers. I us shot gun primers.
I haven't used BH209 myself yet, but have it sitting on the shelf to be opened this fall . Been around guys using it for a few years now and have read the following.
"100 grains T7 = 1944 fps, 100 grains BH209 = 1968 fps, making BH209 a hair over 1% faster"
Not a + or - that will affect any accuracy in the distances ML are traditionally shot ( -200 yds)
"Blackhorn is a fairly bulky powder so it lasts longer than 777 on a volume basis."
edit add....this would have to be proved out... are there more 100 gr loads (by volome) in 10oz of BH209 than there are in 16 oz of T7.
So when you start to work up a load you can go slightly more 'volume' measurement to get started...ie: 85 gr BH209 should be close to 80 gr T7...by weight.
"Triple seven at max charge makes more pressure than blackhorn at max charge".
"Its about burn rate triple seven is much quicker so higher peak pressure".
...Max loads for BH209 are LESS pressure than MAX loads of T7 ...I think I read by about 15%.
"You do not want to use water or water-based soapy solution to clean out what little Blackhorn 209 fouling that's left in the bore. It tends to turn the fouling to a sticky surface in the bore. Instead, to clean away this fouling, it takes just one or two patches dampened with a modern bore solvent, such as good ol' Hoppe's No. 9. (Western Powders has also developed one of its "Montana Extreme" cleaning solvents expressly for Blackhorn 209.)"
Unlike T7 apparently BH209 doesn't like water....so you'll have to change up how you clean up..I've seen guys using Hoppe's 9 and it cleans well.
Good luck, let us know how you like it...
Thought my primers would be good to go
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Switched to federals because they were suppose to be cleaner didn’t see much difference
I made the switch to blackhorn 209 years ago, will never go back to 777. BH is much cleaner burning and cleans up very nicely with regular gun solvents. You must use a hot 209 shotgun primer with it, CCI and Federal are recommended. DO NOT use a 209 primer designed for muzzle loaders.
Cheddite .209 Primers have been around for ages , long before muzzle loaders came out that required shot shell primers.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUDGE
They were and are designed for shotguns/shotshells.
Have you verified this yet? The 777 comes in a 1lb can, the BH209 is a 10oz can.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Based on the BH209 data it looks like FFg 777 and BH209 run about the same weight to volume conversion, the FFFg 777 is a little more dense, so the cost of the 777 is still about half of the BH209.
If that matters to you.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/wp-conte...loaderdata.pdf
For Triple Seven (so named because) 100 grains volume equals 77.7 grns by weight . Blackhorn’s Load Table says 100 gr of BH209 by volume equals 70grs by weight.
So the marketing dept at Blackhorn figured that you can get the same number of 100 gr loads (by volume) from 10oz BH209 as you get from 16 oz of T7…so they packaged it like that then charged 50% more because people are well, in general, gullible. :)
777 from Cabelas is $45, BH209 is $80, not sure what the prices are at other place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The numbers seem to be all over the map, volumetric measurements are not very precise I know, but 75-82gr weight / 100gr volume for 777 depending on FF or FFF, 70gr weight / 100gr volume for BH209.
If you are shooting over and over again without cleaning the BH is supposed to take that a lot better than the 777.
The cost of muzzle loading is really getting up there, $1.29/shot for BH209 powder, $0.14 for primer/shot, $2.33 for Federal Trophy Sabot slug, $3.76 per shot, that is equivalent to $75.20 for a box of 20 rifle shots, really getting up there.
Imagine that a Mom and pops place , Ross Hickey in TinCap, sold me BH209 for $65.25...undercutting the Big Box Stores...nice to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Not sure if I ever saw T7 FFFg loose powder, wasn't very common in this neck of the woods. Few tradional side lock guys would switch from Goex, so no real market there and most inline manufacture specs favored FFG
Im considering switching over. I hear that it is much cleaner to shoot. I have found the triple 7 very dirty and only get about 3 rounds and I need to clean. After the 3rd round I wont get a 4th seated all the way down. Hoping the 209 will give me a few more shots.
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69.99 local 18 bottles in stock helps to be in a muzzleloader only wmuQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Originally Posted by js4fn
What do those guys charge for 777?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The FFFg stuff is around, it is supposed to burn cleaner than the FFg in a 50 cal, I am going to get a bottle from Gord a pay cheque or two down the road.
T7 49.99 for hundred
Higginson's charge $32 for both T7 FFg or FFFg ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Makes it hard at that price to substantiate paying twice the price of BH209 based on " it's cleaner"...
Ya, that is where I am coming from, the velocity change is not all that significant, but the ability to clean means a lot to some, although it is not safe like smokeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Buddy and myself just bought two bottles bh209 $50 a piece
Gun shop hopping today
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