Holy Crap...heck of a Story

Wow....

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Hunter heard a 'popping sound' and saw someone shooting at him, say police

A man faces several charges after a hunter came under fire in Middleboro, N.S., on Saturday.

A deer hunter in Middleboro, N.S., found himself being shot at around 5:30 p.m. Saturday, according to RCMP.

In a news release, police say the hunter was on private property, though he didn't realize it at the time.

He heard a popping sound and "when he looked in the direction of the noise, he saw a man pointing a handgun, firing several shots at him."

After firing the shots, police said the shooter, who turned out to be the landowner, got into a truck and drove away. The hunter, who wasn't injured, called 911.
Police surrounded residence

Police officers responded to the call and surrounded the residence near the location of the shooting. They reached the suspect by phone and he came outside and was arrested without incident.

After a search of the residence, police found a shotgun, a rifle, a pistol, a carbine and ammunition. Some of the firearms weren't properly stored, according to police.

The 52 year-old man from Wallace has been charged with:

discharging a firearm while being reckless.
careless use of a firearm (four counts).
pointing a firearm.
possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose.
carrying a concealed weapon.
possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle.

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read more;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...nter-1.4881746

YIKES!!!!!

I wonder if the hunter had have turned around and shot the assailant,would that have been self defense?

Some needs anger management training.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I wonder if the hunter had have turned around and shot the assailant,would that have been self defense?

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Absolutely

Not condoning any reckless violence of this nature by any means, but I wonder what pushed the landowner to this extreme? It will be interesting to see if this "victim" has a history of ending up on this property without "realizing it at the time". I routinely encounter trespassers on my hunting properties or catch them on trail cameras. I forward everything to the MNR and they take action where they can identify the offenders. But I know that many of my landowners are fed up to the extreme with the poaching and trespassing that goes on. And trespassing to hunt is poaching, let's not pretend it is anything else. So I hope the "victim" was charged appropriately as well. Again, gunshots are an extreme and inappropriate reaction. But I would like to hear the story behind this story.

'In the meantime, RCMP Cpl. Jennifer Clarke said if people don't want hunters on their property, they should post signs to that effect.'

That explains some of the story behind the story for me.This landowner would have saved himself a whole heap of trouble if he had posted his land firstly and secondly
called the police on the trespasser.Not doing the first led to the trespass and a landowner taking the law into his own hands.Now he will probably loose all his firearms
and licenses and might even end up in the bucket.Pretty dammed stupid.The trespasser in this case looks like the smart one of the two.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

'In the meantime, RCMP Cpl. Jennifer Clarke said if people don't want hunters on their property, they should post signs to that effect.'

That explains some of the story behind the story for me.This landowner would have saved himself a whole heap of trouble if he had posted his land firstly and secondly
called the police on the trespasser.Not doing the first led to the trespass and a landowner taking the law into his own hands.Now he will probably loose all his firearms
and licenses and might even end up in the bucket.Pretty dammed stupid.The trespasser in this case looks like the smart one of the two.

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Damn straight. I don't know if you feel the same way,but,my training would have kicked in,instantly. There's a better than even chance that nutbar would be pushing up daisies. He was just lucky the guy on the receiving end chose the action he did.

I did not realize the whole story was not posted. I agree that the landowner definitely needs to post his property. And I also agree that his reaction was dangerous and over the top. I still just cannot help but feel for him on some level.

I have sat in my tree-stand too many times and had trespassing dog walkers go by and ruin my hunt, have lost a few stands and cameras to trespassing thieves, had bow-hunters sneak through during the shotgun only hunt without a stitch of orange on last year, have had hunters "accidentally" stumble past clearly posted signs/gates and the topper is three years ago I actually had a guy wade the river at one of my properties and fire in the direction of my 9 year old son and I while we were turkey hunting. Now, I never returned fire or acted in a way to get myself in trouble, but I would be lying if I said some unkind thoughts/actions did not cross my mind.

Wow, Lucky no one got hurt

I NS if you don't post your land than people are allowed to hunt it. If you post no hunting than nobody including the owner can hunt it. It's possible that the laws have changed since I lived there.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

'In the meantime, RCMP Cpl. Jennifer Clarke said if people don't want hunters on their property, they should post signs to that effect.'

That explains some of the story behind the story for me.This landowner would have saved himself a whole heap of trouble if he had posted his land firstly and secondly
called the police on the trespasser.Not doing the first led to the trespass and a landowner taking the law into his own hands.Now he will probably loose all his firearms
and licenses and might even end up in the bucket.Pretty dammed stupid.The trespasser in this case looks like the smart one of the two.

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Pretty sad and stupid story.
Two unknown to me:
If the guy was discharging towards the hunter-would this not be considered attempt to kill?
What is the charge about -possession of firearm in a motor vehicle.Is this something new.???

wow.... it does sound like an attempted murder.
I cannot think of any reasonable excuse. This act is simply way beyond anything defensible.

such lunatic behavior should be called for what it truthfully is: extremely violent & dangerous, unprovoked, way disproportionate, & irrational.

Absolutely insane...call the police and let them deal with the trespasser. Who in their right mind would start firing at someone knowingly or unknowingly hunting on their property?

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Originally Posted by KennyT

I did not realize the whole story was not posted. I agree that the landowner definitely needs to post his property. And I also agree that his reaction was dangerous and over the top. I still just cannot help but feel for him on some level.

I have sat in my tree-stand too many times and had trespassing dog walkers go by and ruin my hunt, have lost a few stands and cameras to trespassing thieves, had bow-hunters sneak through during the shotgun only hunt without a stitch of orange on last year, have had hunters "accidentally" stumble past clearly posted signs/gates and the topper is three years ago I actually had a guy wade the river at one of my properties and fire in the direction of my 9 year old son and I while we were turkey hunting. Now, I never returned fire or acted in a way to get myself in trouble, but I would be lying if I said some unkind thoughts/actions did not cross my mind.

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^^ this.

Year after year, month after month, thousands and thousands of dollars, working multiple jobs to have a piece of property. These idiots show up and conveniently can't see signs, risking a hundred dollar fine, they use it as their own spoiling your hunts, jeopardizing your safety and disrespecting your land. It makes you see red in a hurry.

There are two sides to every story. Maybe the landowner is a crackpot who shoots at the purolator man when he comes to the door. Maybe the landowner has been fighting this same trespasser for years and fired a couple warning shots into the ground, and the trespasser just told the cops he was being shot at.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

^^ this.

Year after year, month after month, thousands and thousands of dollars, working multiple jobs to have a piece of property. These idiots show up and conveniently can't see signs, risking a hundred dollar fine, they use it as their own spoiling your hunts, jeopardizing your safety and disrespecting your land. It makes you see red in a hurry.

There are two sides to every story. Maybe the landowner is a crackpot who shoots at the purolator man when he comes to the door. Maybe the landowner has been fighting this same trespasser for years and fired a couple warning shots into the ground, and the trespasser just told the cops he was being shot at.

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Under both circumstances, it's not okay to fire a weapon in someone's direction or into the ground to scare them off...let the police handle it

I'm not saying it is a rational idea to shoot at someone. I'm sure most criminals in hindsight see their crimes as something they ought not to have done. I'm sure in this case the even landowner would agree with you and wouldn't do it again. I'm just saying I can see how it would happen.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

I'm not saying it is a rational idea to shoot at someone. I'm sure most criminals in hindsight see their crimes as something they ought not to have done. I'm sure in this case the even landowner would agree with you and wouldn't do it again. I'm just saying I can see how it would happen.

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I suppose it's easy to see how it would happen,but,there's still no explaining that kind of abject stupidity.

Its stupidity for sure but its still a hunters obligation to know where he's hunting and whether he's on private property or not.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Its stupidity for sure but its still a hunters obligation to know where he's hunting and whether he's on private property or not.

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Only a combination of severe evil &/or insanity could drive the urge to take another human's life for so little.

So ... way & much more than just plain old stupidity please!

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Its stupidity for sure but its still a hunters obligation to know where he's hunting and whether he's on private property or not.

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True dat,but,there's no doubt that there was serious criminal intent. Nobody deliberately tries to kill someone without it. He's just lucky. See post #8

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Originally Posted by gbk

Pretty sad and stupid story.
Two unknown to me:
If the guy was discharging towards the hunter-would this not be considered attempt to kill?
What is the charge about -possession of firearm in a motor vehicle.Is this something new.???

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Intent needs to he proven. There would need to be sufficient evidence that he shot *at* the hunter and not simply into the air.

Re the motor vehicle charge, that's probably s. 94, unauthorized possession in a motor vehicle.

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Thank You Welsh for clarifying things.

They never changed the laws in N.S. and New Brunswick. No hunting here means no body hunts,not even the owner. On a side note,I’m just waiting to close on a 100 acre hard wood lot which is rare in this part of the country.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Intent needs to he proven. There would need to be sufficient evidence that he shot *at* the hunter and not simply into the air.

Re the motor vehicle charge, that's probably s. 94, unauthorized possession in a motor vehicle.

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one of the charges is quote "pointing a firearm."

Sounds like an individual with many other issues besides an annoyance to trespassing. Can't always assume the land you're trespassing on to is owned by a totally stable, reasonable landowner.

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Originally Posted by G.S.

one of the charges is quote "pointing a firearm."

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What if he pointed it at you, establishing the pointing offence, and then fired it into the air?

The charges laid will reflect the specific facts of the incident & what the Crown feels can be proven.

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Sorry, but who would do that? We are talking real life scenarios?

Pointing a gun shows intention to engage (read kill) the indented target.
Add: it was known that the gun is loaded live ammo.
Add: the gun was subsequently fired.

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Originally Posted by G.S.

Sorry, but who would do that? We are talking real life scenarios?

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Yes, real life scenarios.

And the big thing about real life is, the Crown has to prove intent to convict. Thus is reality. When you might expect to see an attempt murder charge, and you don't, it's likely the Crown doesn't have confidence they can prove intent.

The people laying these charges have full knowledge of the evidence. You don't.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Yes, real life scenarios.

And the big thing about real life is, the Crown has to prove intent to convict. Thus is reality. When you might expect to see an attempt murder charge, and you don't, it's likely the Crown doesn't have confidence they can prove intent.

The people laying these charges have full knowledge of the evidence. You don't.

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Very true.... and don’t go by media reports !!

Convicted or not:
You are claiming that pointing a loaded gun, then following-up with just warning shots in the air to is a real life scenario.
I can only say (with no disrespect): just cannot see it happening like this. No way, if you just consider some basics.

In the end: can only hope there is way for you to be right on this.