Hunter Shot in Norfolk

https://www.norfolktoday.ca/rss/hunt...orfolk-county/

Very sad - hope he is okay.

Wasn't the idea of a controlled hunt to control hunter numbers,so,this shouldn't happen? I hope the hunter will be OK. We need to wait for the details.

It happens every year without fail.
Myself , I think there are too many out there with that brown is down attitude, I could be wrong but , why shoot if you are not positively sure of your target and what,s behind or close to it.

I hope for a quick recovery.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

It happens every year without fail.
Myself , I think there are too many out there with that brown is down attitude, I could be wrong but , why shoot if you are not positively sure of your target and what,s behind or close to it.

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Might be best to wait until the details come out, I know of a guy who was hit in the knee by a ricochet when I was a teen, no fault of the shooter.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Might be best to wait until the details come out, I know of a guy who was hit in the knee by a ricochet when I was a teen, no fault of the shooter.

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I disagree, I feel that when I squeeze the trigger I am responsible for the travel of my ammo, whether bullet or arrow.
I do not squeeze the trigger unless I know or comfortable know the distance that ammo can travel and what is between me and that path

Maybe that's why I never seem to connect on deer with the shotgun, I am too careful, but that I can deal with, what I cant deal with is accidently hitting someone and ruinning so many lives doing what I enjoy most, not worth it to me... My opinion

I agree before we lay blame need to know all the details,

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Originally Posted by hockeymjt

I disagree, I feel that when I squeeze the trigger I am responsible for the travel of my ammo, whether bullet or arrow.
I do not squeeze the trigger unless I know or comfortable know the distance that ammo can travel and what is between me and that path

Maybe that's why I never seem to connect on deer with the shotgun, I am too careful, but that I can deal with, what I cant deal with is accidently hitting someone and ruinning so many lives doing what I enjoy most, not worth it to me... My opinion

I agree before we lay blame need to know all the details,

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It was probably someone shooting at something they could not identify but we do not yet know the story here.

The guy who I know of what shooting at a deer, dropped the deer but a finishing shot was needed. They were a group and setup in a line with safe zones. On the first shot the guy beside went running out towards where the animal was shot, the shooter shot again to finish off the deer and part of the bullet deflected to an area that should have been safe but had the other hunter there.

In that situation how can you every pull the trigger?

Hold the blame until the facts of the case are known is all I ask.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

It happens every year without fail.
Myself , I think there are too many out there with that brown is down attitude, I could be wrong but , why shoot if you are not positively sure of your target and what,s behind or close to it.

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What does "brown its down" have to do with it? The legality of what deer you can shoot has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting safely.

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

What does "brown its down" have to do with it? The legality of what deer you can shoot has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting safely.

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I think what he means is "if it is dark coloured and moves in the woods, open fire."Obviously, that's not a good idea.Though we have no idea what happened. For example, in camp I was handed a loaded gun this year by someone who is typically obsessively safety conscious. Honest mental mistakes (or mechanical issues) are sometimes to blame for these things, not just ignorance.

I don't know if they were driving deer but that's why I hate that type of hunting. Guys pushing deer to someone at the other end has to many possibilities for disaster.

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Originally Posted by justinj

I think what he means is "if it is dark coloured and moves in the woods, open fire."Obviously, that's not a good idea.Though we have no idea what happened. For example, in camp I was handed a loaded gun this year by someone who is typically obsessively safety conscious. Honest mental mistakes (or mechanical issues) are sometimes to blame for these things, not just ignorance.

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Thank You , for explaining my thought line.
There are too many that will quickly pull the trigger without thinking of the possible circumstances, of what, where, and why things can happen.
I have been around guys like that they can be very scary,and I stay away from them.

Happens with upland bird hunters too. Also with turkey hunters, but that is usually a case of mistaken identity where someone shoots at the white thing they see moving. Again, hunters get excited and take shots they should not. In Brant county two years back it was guys from the same group who shot each-other while pushing deer I think. Seems most likely scenario here, although you hear of guys shooting others walking through the woods before/after legal light too. Folks just get too caught up in having a "successful" hunt, as opposed to a safe and ethical one.

In all fairness, for how many hunters push blocks for deer or birds, it is a relatively rare occurrence.

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Originally Posted by KennyT

Happens with upland bird hunters too.

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Fact: an overwhelming majority of hunting accidents occur during the controlled deer hunt.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Fact: an overwhelming majority of hunting accidents occur during the controlled deer hunt.

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Can you support this statement with your facts, I would like to see them

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Originally Posted by Fox

Can you support this statement with your facts, I would like to see them

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I think that's an obvious conclusion.

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Originally Posted by fieldtrip

I think that's an obvious conclusion.

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Well, so far there was 1 person shot in a controlled hunt this year, I have not heard of any others.

Last year 1 person shot himself with a crossbow bolt near Kingston, not a controlled hunt.

2016 a man near Bobcaygeon was killed, not a controlled hunt.

2015 a man shot himself with a loaded shotgun climbing into a tree stand, not a controlled hunt.

I would love to see Welsh's fact sheet.

Another reason why hunters are their worst enemy.

I don't really have time to do your Googling for you.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Well, so far there was 1 person shot in a controlled hunt this year, I have not heard of any others.

Last year 1 person shot himself with a crossbow bolt near Kingston, not a controlled hunt.

2016 a man near Bobcaygeon was killed, not a controlled hunt.

2015 a man shot himself with a loaded shotgun climbing into a tree stand, not a controlled hunt.

I would love to see Welsh's fact sheet.

Another reason why hunters are their worst enemy.

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Just a quick Google check shows less than 50 hunting accidents across Canada in 2017 and only 6 in Ontario. No indication of stats for controlled hunts. . Welsh is blowing smoke.

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Originally Posted by hockeymjt

I disagree, I feel that when I squeeze the trigger I am responsible for the travel of my ammo, whether bullet or arrow.
I do not squeeze the trigger unless I know or comfortable know the distance that ammo can travel and what is between me and that path

Maybe that's why I never seem to connect on deer with the shotgun, I am too careful, but that I can deal with, what I cant deal with is accidently hitting someone and ruinning so many lives doing what I enjoy most, not worth it to me... My opinion

I agree before we lay blame need to know all the details,

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I struggle with this statement.

Of course I agree with being safe and knowing your backstop but you can be as careful as you wish and still have a ricochet.

There is inherent risk in this activity.

Your bullet can go much further than you can see and in a direction that was unintended.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

I struggle with this statement.

Of course I agree with being safe and knowing your backstop but you can be as careful as you wish and still have a ricochet.

There is inherent risk in this activity.

Your bullet can go much further than you can see and in a direction that was unintended.

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^^ Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Well, so far there was 1 person shot in a controlled hunt this year, I have not heard of any others.

Last year 1 person shot himself with a crossbow bolt near Kingston, not a controlled hunt.

2016 a man near Bobcaygeon was killed, not a controlled hunt.

2015 a man shot himself with a loaded shotgun climbing into a tree stand, not a controlled hunt.

I would love to see Welsh's fact sheet.

Another reason why hunters are their worst enemy.

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Well, we had a heck of a week in 2013 i remember. And that was just the November week
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...gins-1.2417094

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Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher

Well, we had a heck of a week in 2013 i remember. And that was just the November week
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...gins-1.2417094

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Ya, that was a bad year, I do not believe any of them were during the controlled hunt.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

I struggle with this statement.

Of course I agree with being safe and knowing your backstop but you can be as careful as you wish and still have a ricochet.

There is inherent risk in this activity.

Your bullet can go much further than you can see and in a direction that was unintended.

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There is an inherent risk, is it not surprising then that there are so few accidents in Ontario and a pile of these accidents are self inflicted, stupid things like climbing up a tree stand with a loaded firearm or pulling up a loaded rifle on a rope, stupid things that do not even involve an animal.

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Originally Posted by fieldtrip

I don't know if they were driving deer but that's why I hate that type of hunting. Guys pushing deer to someone at the other end has to many possibilities for disaster.

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Agreed!

sometimes I scratch my head on these forums, we outdoorsmen are our own worst enemy. Statistically hunting is safer then bowling. I am willing to bet there is higher odds I get hurt or killed driving to work then hunting.personally I like to hunt from a portable stand solo and don't care for driving deer, but I will not accuse them of being unsafe or look down on anyone pushing a bush or saying its a recipe for disaster..relax guys, lets wait to see what details emerge from this Norfolk case and use this as another reminder to be safe, law abiding hunters out there...we already have enough anti's lobbying to get rid of our sport so lets not give them any more ammo...just a thought!

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Just a quick Google check shows less than 50 hunting accidents across Canada in 2017 and only 6 in Ontario. No indication of stats for controlled hunts. . Welsh is blowing smoke.

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Whether one form of hunting is inherently more dangerous than another has nothing to do with the total number of incidents.

While we're talking about blowing smoke.

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Originally Posted by kokes

...we already have enough anti's lobbying to get rid of our sport so lets not give them any more ammo...just a thought!

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The best way to stop giving them ammo is to stop having accidents.

And the best way to stop having accidents, as any workplace safety expert will remind you, is to stop denying or minimizing risk.

The hunting community needs to have frank discussions about accidents.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Just a quick Google check shows less than 50 hunting accidents across Canada in 2017 and only 6 in Ontario. No indication of stats for controlled hunts. . Welsh is blowing smoke.

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I think you mean "reported accidents" so I think I will safely assume there are more.The controlled hunt by its very nature in many parts of the Province with big gangs pushing small bush, in more populated area,s lend,s itself to this being a unsafer hunt IMHO.

Sorry, for ve been sitting on this statement all day. Totally disagree that it’s not the fault of the shooter. I have to ask who is at fault then? If it’s your round, you own it until it stops. Plain and simple. If you didn’t know your back ground.....you still own it.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Thank You , for explaining my thought line.
There are too many that will quickly pull the trigger without thinking of the possible circumstances, of what, where, and why things can happen.
I have been around guys like that they can be very scary,and I stay away from them.

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I still dont get what that has to do with the legality of which deer they can shoot.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think you mean "reported accidents" so I think I will safely assume there are more.The controlled hunt by its very nature in many parts of the Province with big gangs pushing small bush, in more populated area,s lend,s itself to this being a unsafer hunt IMHO.

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In highly populated areas it is harder to cover up accidents yet they are extremely rare.

It may be your humble opinion that gangs pushing bush in SW Ontario is "unsafer" but your opinion has no facts to back it up, your opinion does not define anything here.

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Originally Posted by kokes

sometimes I scratch my head on these forums, we outdoorsmen are our own worst enemy. Statistically hunting is safer then bowling. I am willing to bet there is higher odds I get hurt or killed driving to work then hunting.personally I like to hunt from a portable stand solo and don't care for driving deer, but I will not accuse them of being unsafe or look down on anyone pushing a bush or saying its a recipe for disaster..relax guys, lets wait to see what details emerge from this Norfolk case and use this as another reminder to be safe, law abiding hunters out there...we already have enough anti's lobbying to get rid of our sport so lets not give them any more ammo...just a thought!

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Well said

Love guys who post their opinion and state it a fact then try to change the subject when someone asks them to back up their “facts”

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Originally Posted by Fox

In highly populated areas it is harder to cover up accidents yet they are extremely rare.

It may be your humble opinion that gangs pushing bush in SW Ontario is "unsafer" but your opinion has no facts to back it up, your opinion does not define anything here.

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Like wise your opinion also has no facts to back it up.I base mine on simple common sense,big gangs of hunters pushing small bush lots in more built up area,s
would pose a greater risk.I also do not believe I specified SW Ontario as they do push bush in many other parts of the Province.

The facts of the matter are that hunters are mandated to report hunting accident,s caused by the discharge of firearms where treated by a physician must be reported to a C.O.

So there a loop holes right in that wording,if your not treated by a Doctor its simply not recorded as a C.O. is not called.

The one,s that are reported are on file with the MNR somewhere,but the details of the hunt (controlled or otherwise) is probably not recorded.So you cannot say they are rare its just your opinion.

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Originally Posted by welsh

The best way to stop giving them ammo is to stop having accidents.

And the best way to stop having accidents, as any workplace safety expert will remind you, is to stop denying or minimizing risk.

The hunting community needs to have frank discussions about accidents.

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Point taken.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Like wise your opinion also has no facts to back it up.I base mine on simple common sense,big gangs of hunters pushing small bush lots in more built up area,s
would pose a greater risk.I also do not believe I specified SW Ontario as they do push bush in many other parts of the Province.

The facts of the matter are that hunters are mandated to report hunting accident,s caused by the discharge of firearms where treated by a physician must be reported to a C.O.

So there a loop holes right in that wording,if your not treated by a Doctor its simply not recorded as a C.O. is not called.

The one,s that are reported are on file with the MNR somewhere,but the details of the hunt (controlled or otherwise) is probably not recorded.So you cannot say they are rare its just your opinion.

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It's kind of hard to imagine someone suffering from a gun shot wound (especially from a hunting round) and not being treated by a Doctor. Unless it was a very minor injury,how would that not be reported? Possibly,someone could get treatment and lie their a** off to the Doctor,but,it would take a special kind of naivety for medical staff not to know what they were dealing with.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Point taken.



It's kind of hard to imagine someone suffering from a gun shot wound (especially from a hunting round) and not being treated by a Doctor. Unless it was a very minor injury,how would that not be reported? Possibly,someone could get treatment and lie their a** off to the Doctor,but,it would take a special kind of naivety for medical staff not to know what they were dealing with.

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Real easy, I can think of a hundred excuses."I was cleaning my gun when it accidentally went off" "I was at the range" "I was sighting in my rifle in the back 40"
None of this has to be reported as it would not be a hunting accident.Gang bangers in Toronto shoot themselves all the time,clam up to the Doctor and Police,end of story.I am not even to sure if a Doctor is legally obliged to report any thing ( patient confidentiality) its up to the hunter,so there is another loop hole.So sure a Doctor would treat the wound but would they have to report it?

Further research by me indicates gun shot wounds must be reported by the "facility" not the Doctor and reported to the Police.

If I'm not mistaken, doctors are required to report gunshot wounds.

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Originally Posted by welsh

If I'm not mistaken, doctors are required to report gunshot wounds.

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Actually the "facility" should do the reporting and not the Doctor.Its a moot point as the reporting is to the Police not a C.O.

I was shot while duck hunting up by Craiglee when I was younger. I was cutting through the bush/marsh and came upon two older immigrant hunters. They started hollering at me. I apologized and said I was just passing through going to join up with my friends about 1/4 mile further in. At that moment a duck jumped up from the marsh between us. Quiddo raises his gun when the duck was 5 feet up and hit me twice. about 60 yds. Good thing he only had a double. I hollered I was shot and he started loading his gun again.
I think he got scared and was going to finish the job ... I guess. I shucket out my shells and loaded in BB's. told him I would kill them both. Luckily the non shooter partner calmed him down. He packed up a took his partner and left real quick. I got to my friends and they heard the yelling. I stripped down and they took pellets out of me. The gun stock still had pellets in it when I sold it.
No I never reported it.

did any details of this incident (the ortiganlly report accident) come out?

Hi guys ! I live in the general area where the poor guy got shot. Now the December Hunt is over I will ask around to find out more info regarding this unfortunate incident. Otherwise all I know is what in the news. Hunter shot in leg , OPP and MNRF investigated scene and no charges laid.
Who knows …. maybe he will post here and clear up all doubt as to what really happened. I wish him a speedy recovery and feel sorry that his hunting buddies have to live with that nightmarish day the rest of their lives.

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Originally Posted by longpointer

Hi guys ! I live in the general area where the poor guy got shot. Now the December Hunt is over I will ask around to find out more info regarding this unfortunate incident. Otherwise all I know is what in the news. Hunter shot in leg , OPP and MNRF investigated scene and no charges laid.
Who knows …. maybe he will post here and clear up all doubt as to what really happened. I wish him a speedy recovery and feel sorry that his hunting buddies have to live with that nightmarish day the rest of their lives.

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No charges laid says "accidental" discharge to me. Live and learn. Tough lesson,though.

Well..... I asked around. Needless to say lots of rumours but not a lot of facts. Supposedly the guy was from Ottawa area and they were on property that they shouldn't have been on. Most likely the truth..... He was shot by one of his buddies; charges are still pending as the MNRF are lead investigators with OPP assisting.


Two worst noises a hunter can ever hear..... a Click when there shoulda been a Bang or a BANG when there should've been a click.