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So I was watching Powermodz Youtube channel and came across the commercial version of a "Sled Dog", which led to other videos of homemade versions using old tunnel cover of broken sleds. What a cool idea, very versatile, light, mini van or SUV portable and for all that I can find, no insurance, registration required in Ontario (I could be wrong).
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They may not have any regulations specific to them now but as more appear I suspect this will be addressed.
Too many unanswered questions on their future for me.
A augment may be made that they should fall under the ORVA. If that happens finding insurance would initially be difficult.
They would meet the definition of a motorized snow vehicle in the MSVA.....Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
Last winter on simcoe, I saw something go by that was on the same lines as this I think on looked store bought. It looked like just a small enclosed track pulling a guy in a sled. At least that what it looked like. Thought that be cool if you didn't have a truck to put a snowmobile or quad in. I did look expensive at the distance I was at.
Seen a guy coming off Callander Bay on Saturday with one,there not very big. There’s a guy on the Lake Simcoe board that built one
Would they?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
From the MSVA "motorized snow vehicle" means a self-propelled
vehicle designed to be driven primarily on snow;
The Snow Dog is marketed as an all season use vehicle.
To me that would more likely put it under the ORVA.
Either way if classified under either Act they would require registration and insurance.
The snowdog is not taxed as a vehicle, no registration required, no insurance required and no helment required. I haven't been stopped on it yet though, so we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by line052
I went to the effort and emailed MTO and got an answer back about three weeks ago. They weren't aware of people using them in Ontario and here is their answer:
Thank you for your e-mail regarding the use of Snow Dogs in Ontario.
Based on our current assessment, we have determined that the Snow Dog does not meet the classification requirements of an off-road vehicle (ORV) or motorized snow vehicle (MSV) under the Highway Traffic Act (HTA), Off-Road Vehicle Act (ORVA) or Motorized Snow Vehicle Act (MSVA) regulations.
ORVs and MSVs riders must meet registration requirements, and must obtain either a plate or permit to operate their vehicle on Ontario roads or lands (i.e., provincial highways, trails). Vehicles that do not meet the ministry’s requirements may only be used on private property (i.e. property must be owned by the vehicle operator or the vehicle owner must obtain permission from the property owner prior to operating their vehicle on the property owner’s property).
The Snowdog may also be operated on crown land, unless the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forests (MNRF) specifically prohibits public access to certain specific lands. Operators of the Snowdog must consult the MNRF to determine whether there are any restrictions in place which could prohibit operation of the vehicle on the land which the owner intends to operate the machine.
Thanks and please feel free to contact us if you have any additional questions.
I also found a place on the east side of Simcoe that's renting them, called the person and forwarded the info to them, to say the least they were a little shocked. When asked about insurance and liability, they were stumped if something was to happen to someone.
Thanks Fisherman
This is basically the same as my Argo initially. They didn’t meet the definition in the ORVA, so no plates, insurance or helmets. As they became more common, the ORVA was changed to include Argos. It was a chore to get the MTO to plate them, and insurance companies were reluctant to insure them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Yup, remember going through hoops and loops when registration first came out, insurance was only $180 a year. I imagine it may take a while for MTO to get some sort of safety specs, etc, who knows how long that will take.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Wow, great responses. Been gone for 3 weeks while recovering from surgery. Keep moving forward to build one once I have healed.