And round n round we go......

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/...tion-in-check/

"[COLOR=#4F4F4F]The small pack, including the alpha male and female, will be moved from Michipicoten Island to Isle Royale National Park, on the U.S. side of Lake Superior, where American officials hope the wolves will help keep the moose population in check.[COLOR=#4F4F4F]“We need to get these wolves off the island, otherwise they’ll die,” said Aaron Bumstead, director of lands and economic development with Michipicoten First Nation who is co-ordinating the move with the province’s Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry.
[COLOR=#4F4F4F]Last year, the province and the First Nation used several helicopters to move a total of 15 caribou — a threatened species in Ontario — off Michipicoten Island. Nine of the animals were transferred to the Slate Islands, and the other six to Caribou Island."

I'm... I'm... speechless.

wow it figures

There is nothing but good news in this article!


1-we have better wolves the the Americans do-our wolves are even better then those local wolves which ones almost wiped out the elk out west in the States(Idaho was relieved from those huge numbers of elk roaming in the panhandle by killing them off by wolves)
2-the researcher in charge of the Isle Royale moose project will have few more years to do the"continuous"study-which needs to run even after 48 years of day by day studying "whatever"they study(moose and wolf interaction as far i understood). The study can go on......... .
3-people involved in the Michipicoten Caribou fiasco can now rest assured-everything is done to save the wolves from starvation.First they were allowed to eat all the caribou,now hey will have a chance to do the same with the moose......
4-once again we can clearly see that there are two classes of wild animals in Ontario-the first class animals(the ones which need protection while they are killing the second class animals)and the second class animals(the ones they are alive just so they can feed the first class animals).The first class gets all the support-the second class...oh,not so much,if at all.
5-we see it again that the environmentally concerned groups are speaking up in protection of the first class animals only-the rest of the animals do not matter( they sat quietly when was chance to save the caribou)
6-we saved huge $ from Ontario taxpayers by not transporting those wolves to BC-to the Charlotte Island,to kill of all that pesky Sitka deer-Federal Government paid those huge $ to the Kiwi sharpshooters after all....right?
7-Us Ontario hunters discussed far and wide on this Forum,that eventually the outcome of all that hoopla at Michipicoten will have one outcome -the wolves will starve to death after they eat 600 Caribous in few years(did anyone mentioned, the Caribou were Endangered Animals?) Wrong!There are choppers available to save "them"!!! on time.

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The list can go on...........

8-the most important(and almost forgotten one)the situation on the Isle Royale can -could-should give a direction for the poeple in charge of solving the declining moose population problem.Stop predation on them and they will rebound so BADLY,they will become a problem themselves:scream:After all Global warming-tick infestation-brain worn etc are all there too-they do seemingly even feed on secondary browse(fir)...yet the moose thrives????

Soo,

- they allowed the wolves to eat the almost 200 or so caribou on the island, complaining all along what to do (we told them - move or cull the wolves!!)
- the 15 caribous left were moved at the last minute - too little too late
- as predicted, now that the wolves are starving, they want to move them too - amazing way to do things!

So I ask - Why did they not move /cull the wolves to begin with ? Maybe we need a change of management / decision makers here ...

I watched a show last night with a wildlife biologist who was tasked with bringing back the 40 mile Caribou herd up in the Yukon region.This herd of animals was some 500,000 strong in the early 1900,s and dwindled down to 6,000 in part due to market hunting.

One strategy they used to bring back the Caribou numbers was to sterilize and neuter the alpha male and females in the surrounding wolf packs.They used to cull the wolves by shooting but this disturbed the pack system and surviving yonge pack members bred themselves, where as the alpha male and female do not allow this.

But the aboriginal elders actually for eon,s were doing a similar thing. The Chief,s would meet and discuss the wolf pack,s numbers and agree to lower them down by removing the pups at denning sites.They kept the mature breeding adults in place after this and no pups were produced for that year.

Maybe the MNR should just watch this telly show and figure it out because they did in the Yukon with hunters,aboriginals and biologists all reading from the same page.

The Caribou season is now open with every hunter getting a bull tag and the herd is in great shape.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/ho...trail_2016.pdf

Sounds reasonable with out me researching.

Note to self Gilroy and I must not agree. :)

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I watched a show last night with a wildlife biologist who was tasked with bringing back the 40 mile Caribou herd up in the Yukon region.This herd of animals was some 500,000 strong in the early 1900,s and dwindled down to 6,000 in part due to market hunting.

One strategy they used to bring back the Caribou numbers was to sterilize and neuter the alpha male and females in the surrounding wolf packs.They used to cull the wolves by shooting but this disturbed the pack system and surviving yonge pack members bred themselves, where as the alpha male and female do not allow this.

But the aboriginal elders actually for eon,s were doing a similar thing. The Chief,s would meet and discuss the wolf pack,s numbers and agree to lower them down by removing the pups at denning sites.They kept the mature breeding adults in place after this and no pups were produced for that year.

Maybe the MNR should just watch this telly show and figure it out because they did in the Yukon with hunters,aboriginals and biologists all reading from the same page.

The Caribou season is now open with every hunter getting a bull tag and the herd is in great shape.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/ho...trail_2016.pdf

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Sounds reasonable with out me researching.

Note to self Gilroy and I must not agree. :)

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Slowly but surely moving you towards the DARK SIDE. LOL

"Save the balsam fir" is something I never thought Id read at any time in my entire life

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

Soo,

- they allowed the wolves to eat the almost 200 or so caribou on the island, complaining all along what to do (we told them - move or cull the wolves!!)
- the 15 caribous left were moved at the last minute - too little too late
- as predicted, now that the wolves are starving, they want to move them too - amazing way to do things!

So I ask - Why did they not move /cull the wolves to begin with ? Maybe we need a change of management / decision makers here ...

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yep, except it was more like 500-600 caribou.

this is an absolute embarrassment of wild life management... gutless decision makers fail to make the tough decision and ruined 30 years of herd re-habilitation.

I'd love to voice my opinion but if I did then the swat team would be at my door in minutes.
Also there is a code of conduct a human should not cross over -
I never knew I had this much discipline and restraint.

the Ministry of Misfits -
oops I mean the Ministry of Mismanagement --
oops -- Minstrels of Mayhem ----

Whatever --- just can't seem to get it right anymore.

My retirement outdoor activities are just a dream anymore!
Reality has been taken away from an entire generation of hunters.

I hope Doug Ford is checking here occasionally.

So, to summarize the article - an invasive species (wolf) made its way onto an island and proceeded to decimate the native species (caribou). In order to prevent the invasive species from dying off on that island, it is being deliberately introduced to another island, with hopes that it will adversely affect the native species (moose) there. What could possibly go wrong?

Just got my St. Catharines Standard for Monday, Feb 4, 2019.

On page B4 is an entire, full page spread, of that article.

Anyone that reads this has to be able to read between the lines and extract the truth. 2013 to 2017, 4 wolves and their offspring decimated 700 caribou before anyone stepped in. Now there's 1600 moose on an island somewhere else and rather then let hunting reduce the herd or offer it to first nations they want to repeat another implosion. Isle Royal has been studied for 48 years and they still can't figure out the prey/predator relationship! Some research professor keeping his job and the cash flowing.

WTF ???!!! History does repeat itself. This is the true definition of insanity. They walk among us! I know that! But how in Gods name did they ever get the clout and power they have.