Rather pointless but it makes them feel like there are doing something...HaHa..
https://i.imgur.com/uNM6pmvm.jpg
These reasons why it's pointless, from their own mouths..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=1dnTFNlEt54
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Rather pointless but it makes them feel like there are doing something...HaHa..
https://i.imgur.com/uNM6pmvm.jpg
These reasons why it's pointless, from their own mouths..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=1dnTFNlEt54
Crack heads be stealing guns to turn in for a fix
So I can have them pick up my working and scary looking pellet pistol and have $350 to go buy a new firearm? This seems like a no brainer.
John
Pellet guns are not included.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnjyb
But you can buy a Tokarev for $200 and turn it in for $350. :)
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Point of the program is prevention,less guns available to be stolen is a good thing.Gun crime investigations,homicides,shootings,hold up,s expensive to conduct,well worth the expense to buy back these guns.Not pointless unless you live on some rural property and feel your immune from such crime.Kinda like
your head is stuck in a maple syrup bucket attitude.
So criminals can steal your guns then bring them in for a nice payout and no charges, perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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Maybe you should actually watch the video and figure out what the officer said,its exactly the opposite to what your writing.He stated limited immunity for guns being handed in,which means if its a "crime gun" you would face charges.Nobody expects gang banger,s to hand in guns not even the Mayor which is why he states at the start of the video "why does anyone in Toronto need a hand gun" but you would need to again watch the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I have 3 beaters that will never see the light of day and don't even know if they shoot or not. That's 3 that I was going to toss. Sounds like an easy 600 bucks to me.
This is the definition of pointless:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
“Gun buy-backs continue to be popular for several reasons: They are relatively easy to conduct, they create the visible impression to the public that government is responsive to the problem, and their effectiveness seems, to the less-well informed, plausible,” said Mike Scott, a former police chief, criminal justice professor and director of the Center for Problem Oriented Policing. “They probably don’t do much harm even if they don’t do much good. The biggest potential drawback is if some people use the money obtained from selling an old gun to buy a new, more-lethal one.”
Scott points to a 2013 analysis of studies done over the years on gun buy-back programs. It found that recovered firearms were “disproportionately old, broken, of low caliber and ammunition capacity, and differed from the firearms most frequently used in crime.”
“Moreover, many of the individuals who turned in firearms were middle-aged gun owners and not older adolescents and young adults, who are at highest risk for involvement in criminal activity,” noted Boston based researchers Anthony Braga and Garen J. Wintemute
exactly what they find every time they run one of these highly costly 'fell good' Political Photo ops. ...............Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Pretty sure I could internet search in two seconds that will bring up an opposite viewpoint,but that would be pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Not when you factor $300.00 driving down from Capreol to Toronto in gas and then the nice officer at HQ telling you its a Toronto Program and you do not qualify and you then spend another $300.00 in gas getting back. LOL But not a bad way to get your guns out for some fresh air.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Oh ok, finally had a chance to watch it, so essentially this is a total BS tax on the taxpayer, paying legal owners for crap guns, as long as they go bang they are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Again, another thing that will do nothing to stop any illegal firearms use in the city of Toronto but let the people feel all warm and fuzzy for things they do not understand, you included.
Great idea! I've got a couple old beaters here also. We should get together and do a carpool down there. maybe pick up a couple more takers to spread the cost of gas? I'm sure Gilroy will put us up for the night, feed us breakfast, then we go get our cash and hightail it back home?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Don,t worry about overnight accommodation I still have contacts on the job and we can probably get you a nice cell or adjoining cell,s for the night.We are stillQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
supplying Mc Donalds and a coffee from petty cash so your food is looked after.Not to sure how you guys are going to fit in with the rest of Her Majesty,s Guests.LOL
This is awesome. Is there a torontonian among us that wants to turn in all of our beater guns?
Do you think they'd be suspicious if someone showed up with a moving van loaded to the roof with old beaters?
I'm not above taking money from Toronto ;)
The concept is pretty simple,prevention being one of its aims.Some old gun collector who has a bunch of handguns lying around his home available for a theft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
They become potential crime guns once stolen.Get them off the old guy,pay him some money,bunch more guns off the street.
If you had ever worked on a homicide and the costs involved in trying to solve these crimes you might then understand.The Jane Creba case in Toronto probably cost several million dollars for investigation and court costs.Multiply this one case scores of times for our street homicides and wounding,s and you will get the big picture.
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that... you must be within the Toronto jurisdiction so officers can pick up directly from your house. No drop offs.
If you got i/d that shows you living in Toronto you might be in business.Quote:
Originally Posted by benjhind
Which is why I asked if there was a willing torontonian among us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
This could be a good racket. If I lived in Toronto I wouldn't hesitate to round up a dozen beaters and take advantage of the foolish program.
Gun buy-back programs are a lot like people in a flood loading sandbags. It doesn't do a hell of a lot of good except let folks think they're doing something to "help",so,if that's what floats their boat,go nuts.
Yea they promote false hope....and do nothing but cost a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere..Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
You and the rest of the province do it daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by benjhind
When I pass, my old lady isn’t going to be selling or giving away my collection to no cops for them to destroy. My estate/Will is up to date and my toys are going where I want them to go. My old beater guns were already given to a old gunsmith and a few old working guns went to my nephews. Take care of your assets while your alive.
Bush, that sounds like a helluva plan. Take the old motorhome at Christmas time and park in Gilroy’s driveway. Bring the Rottweiler and wear your housecoat while emptying your holding tank into the catchbasin. :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
A week of that that will change his outlook.
It is a citiot only program. They are the only ones that see the value, and will drink the coolaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Update: after 3 weeks the tally
No mention of the type of crap people took in a for the cash !!Quote:
So far, police have received 816 long guns and 419 handguns through the program, totalling $309,850. Each gun was inspected to see if it had ever been involved in a crime.
Ends tomorrow...I wonder if they will releases staggering results of how many were involved in crimes and are now off the street. I hope the good folks in the GTA feel safer for the $300K spent :)
Do it eddy style.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
What a joke !! 300 grand would go a long way towards policing the gangs!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I was at a gun show (Perth) last weekend and saw a whack of old rifles for sale for between $75 and $125.....a guy from the GTA could invest $1-2K, made a few deals. Drive back to the ByBack depot and drop off G'Pa's gun collection and get $200 each for them.
A good days work and could almost double your money :)
It's funny that the only photos the media show are from the gun seizures of the newer smuggled firearms before this "amnesty" took effect. Of course,they wouldn't want to show $305K worth of garbage guns that no one in their right minds would load rounds into lest they blew their fingers or half their face off while firing and all stacked up like scrap metal,would they? What a bunch of bullshyte artists!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The program ends tomorrow, maybe they'll have a wrap up Photo Op...that is if they can 'drag' John Tory away from the lap dancers HaHa...
re: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/to...on-mothers-day
Not the best day to be "INCLUSIVE".Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Between John Tory and Mark Saunders any figure can be pulled out of a hat to make numbers they want to make this program sound successful.
That $300k would have paid for probably 5 new cruisers or paid 3 officers for a year. Taking useless guns from law abiding citizens is idiotic. This is the kind of nonsense Ford will not fund anymore. I bet he cuts another $300k in subsidies to Toronto.
Sure enough,Brian Lillie has photos of turned in firearms in today's Toronto Sun. Not one of them is worth $50,but,the City of Toronto is coughing up $250-$350 each. Only a dingbat Liberal would see that as a good thing. The owners who turned them in sure will,though.
Yup...not much worth the $350 they got for it...
https://i.imgur.com/vd1R4mql.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zmNTNZEl.jpgQuote:
“What I see from that picture is someone that figured they could get $350 instead of $50-$150,” said Mark Morelli.
Morelli is a retired Hamilton police officer and an avid gun collector.
As the man behind The Canadian Gun Vault, Morelli is familiar with the prices that the guns in the photos would get on the open market.
Some collectors who were licensed and legally-owned certain types of guns prior to the Liberal gun control legislation enacted in 1995 were grandfathered and allowed to keep those guns.
But since they can only sell to similarly licenced people, Morelli said the market is diminishing and most of the pistols in the photo would fetch between $50 and $150 if sold to another collector.
“He’s getting $350 for guns with diminishing value,” Morelli said.
Yep, Morelli is correct!
What a bunch of junk. I chopped a few handguns like those because I had no hope in selling them !
The long guns are all from some guys junk gun collections. I hope Ford takes them to task !!
Those old handguns, a few of them would fit into antique status, or be very close, I see a couple there that I know I have seen before during some antique research. Anything made before 1898 with antique status would be at minimum $500, the threshold between 1897 and 1898 can mean $2000 depending on the gun, Webley pistols (the dark blued one) are very valuable in their antique form, that one looks to be a later model but that is just based on the grips and I do not know if that varied.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
At one time, maybe down south and if you can find the right buyer...but like Morelli said..the potential to find a buyer here in Canada has been greatly diminished. I know a few guys with collections that aren't worth 1/2 what they used to be, less for handguns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Not to mention NOT worth a penny on the illegal market for the Guns and Gangs guys...HaHa
They are not worth a lot to collectors but there is a significant market for them to those who go into the bush a lot, guys in BC seem to really like them. Check out CGN, there are lots of antiques changing hands all the time, Mk I webleys can go for $2500-3000, the 455 Webley cartridge is a decent one as a defense gun in the back woods. You cannot have them in concealed carry but there are some leather holsters that can be worn on the hip with covers on them, ready to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
They are not gang bangers guns, I am saying that they are worth a lot and more to those who do not want to get a restricted, it is a shame that they have been given in to be destroyed.
Someone is fabricating numbers...
On May 10th....from the Star...
On May 17 (on week later) ...the CBC says :Quote:
Toronto Police Services announced on Friday that it had retrieved 1,235 firearms from its three-week gun buyback program launched on April 26.
So we're are being lead to believe that in the final week of the program, all of a sudden they more than doubled the numbers donated during the previous 3 weeks ..BSQuote:
Toronto police say they have received more than 2,700 unwanted guns from city residents through a gun buyback program that wrapped up Friday.
Historically they've never collected more that 2000 guns...most years much less...so I think someone is fudging the numbers.
Quote:
Police offered similar compensation during a buyback program in 2008. That year they collected nearly 2,000 guns, 500 of which were handguns.
They offered only $150 in a 2013 program and the number of guns they took in fell to 500. No money was offered in a 2015 buyback program, and police collected 150 guns.
summed up nicely !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=yWjcKhyTL3wQuote:
Is it really the best use of more than $500,000?
No, for the most part it is a waste.
That money could have paid for more officers, more resources to target the small group of people responsible for the gun violence in the first place.
But that wouldn’t lead to a photo-op which is what this program is really all about.