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E Passo Texas, Mass shooting leaves 20 dead, 26 wounded at Walmart Plaza., a real tragedy.

Motive, he was upset at the number of Hispanics invading his country.
He gave up to Police without them firing a shot.

This all in a state " TEXAS " that is heavily armed.
" As of April 30, there were 1,017,618 active handgun license holders in Texas, according to the state agency that oversees the process, the Department of Public Safety. That means there are more people in Texas with permission to carry a gun than there are residents of the city of Fort Worth. "

Where were they ? to stop this killer ?

As reported, total Mass Shootings this year in the U.S. 251 , in 216 days..
So far this year[, more than 520 people have died in mass shootings ...

It was 26 injured not 256 like mentioned in your post (you have a typo). If your wanting to see someone take action against another shooter they have plenty on YouTube.
Glad they caught him alive so he can rot the rest of his life in a cell block. Do they still have the death penalty in Texas I kinda think they do . Anyway another sad day for the states because of some racist scum.

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Sad for sure. It’s probably safer to visit Russia......as long as you stay away from the cheap vodka.

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It was 26 injured not 256 like mentioned in your post (you have a typo). If your wanting to see someone take action against another shooter they have plenty on YouTube.
Glad they caught him alive so he can rot the rest of his life in a cell block. Do they still have the death penalty in Texas I kinda think they do . Anyway another sad day for the states because of some racist scum.

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Corrected that figure, thanks for pointing out my mistake, tried to type too fast.

You guys missed Dayton Ohio shooting this morning 13 hours after Texas
9 dead 10 dead including shooter 26 injured

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Originally Posted by js4fn

You guys missed Dayton Ohio shooting this morning 13 hours after Texas
9 dead 10 dead including shooter 26 injured

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Just reading about that now, another senseless killing of innocents.
And State of Ohio passed this into law ;[COLOR=#3D3D3D]The bill that would allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons without requiring training or a permit has passed a House committee. The measure, which is known as “constitutional carry,” has passed in more than a dozen other states.

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Bring back executions. Put him in an electric chair without the wet sponge on his head. Torture the living s#it outta him.

I dont understand how someone could get so screwed in the head that they can go somewhere and just kill random people. Very Sad, taking guns away isnt going to dissolve the anger some people have. Disgusting

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Now cnn is saying Dayton killers sister is one of the dead

No doubt,politicians and their media shills will call for "assault weapon" bans and handgun bans and repeal of 2A....blah,blah,blah. They never want to deal with the root cause,though,because they haven't a clue what that is. Until they figure it out,this crap will go on and on.

2nd amendment should have been taken out of effect a very long time ago. I dont support it I never will. I dont see any point at all for it in the age we are in today.

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The root cause isn’t guns.

Social media is also a huge player in these shootings. These people want an audience and they think they get it from Facebook and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWdUH13XZ4

just thought id post this if anyone wants to watch it.

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2nd amendment should have been taken out of effect a very long time ago. I dont support it I never will. I dont see any point at all for it in the age we are in today.

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We don't understand the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love. Canadians haven't a clue because we're a nation that expects the government to look after us from the cradle to the grave never needing to sacrifice for freedom like Americans have. Americans know that freedom isn't free,a concept completely lost on the current generations of Canadians.

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Originally Posted by glen

The root cause is guns.

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Blaming guns for crime is like blaming forks because you're fat.

Texas and Ohio have both open and concealed carry. They also have these BS laws that allows anyone to tape a piece of paper to the door and make a place a gun free zone. There is also a FEDERAL law that makes ALL schools, malls, churches, Collages, etc gun free zones.

Ask yourself, have you seen a mass shooting anywhere OTHER then a gun free zone?

The only time there is a shooting that is not in a gun free zone, is when it's gang related.

[QUOTE=trimmer21;1089045]We don't understand the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love. Canadians haven't a clue because we're a nation that expects the government to look after us from the cradle to the grave never needing to sacrifice for freedom like Americans have. Americans know that freedom isn't free,a concept completely lost on the current generations of Canadians.

i still dont agree.

i have a few friends that came to Canada from the states and they also agree with what i said and they did own multiple guns in the states at one time. one of them was actually in the military for a while and is no longer there. hes moved to BC now.

im pretty sure every nation "expects" the government to look after them. as for not understanding the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love, how about the Americans that agree with my statement? because they're are a lot of them.

As for "land of the free" America is probably at the bottom of the list there. the World Prison Brief's data put the U.S. incarceration rate at 655 inmates per 100,000 people, which is nearly 7% higher than the rate of the next-closest country, El Salvador.

As for Gun Deaths.
The top six’s gun death tolls for 2016: Brazil was 43,200, the US 37,200, Mexico 15,400, Colombia 13,300, Venezuela 12,800, and Guatemala 5,090. Collectively, these countries made up less than 10 percent of the global population but 50.5 percent of the world’s gun deaths, the study found....... this was in 2016.

( yes this does include suicides as well.)

imagine a town with a population of 37,200 people getting wiped out every year.
The U.S. gun homicide rate is 25 times that of other high-income countries.

bottom line is guns in the states are way to accessible.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Texas and Ohio have both open and concealed carry. They also have these BS laws that allows anyone to tape a piece of paper to the door and make a place a gun free zone. There is also a FEDERAL law that makes ALL schools, malls, churches, Collages, etc gun free zones.

Ask yourself, have you seen a mass shooting anywhere OTHER then a gun free zone?

The only time there is a shooting that is not in a gun free zone, is when it's gang related.

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ok. now ask yourself how many cases there are where someone goes nuts in their house and kills their whole family.

or ask yourself about the cases about people walking into a restaurant or bar and shooting a bunch of people.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

or ask yourself about the cases about people walking into a restaurant or bar and shooting a bunch of people.

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gun free zone again created by a Federal Law.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

gun free zone again created by a Federal Law.

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only if over 51% of their revenue is alcohol based correct?

(which most are but not all)

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

only if over 51% of their revenue is alcohol based correct?

(which most are but not all)

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No. Federal laws prohibit weapons in all malls, restaurants, bars and government buildings. When they say "weapons" they do not just mean guns. You will get charged and sentenced the same regardless if you have a pen knife or a machine gun.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

We don't understand the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love. Canadians haven't a clue because we're a nation that expects the government to look after us from the cradle to the grave never needing to sacrifice for freedom like Americans have. Americans know that freedom isn't free,a concept completely lost on the current generations of Canadians.

i still dont agree.

i have a few friends that came to Canada from the states and they also agree with what i said and they did own multiple guns in the states at one time. one of them was actually in the military for a while and is no longer there. hes moved to BC now.

im pretty sure every nation "expects" the government to look after them. as for not understanding the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love, how about the Americans that agree with my statement? because they're are a lot of them.

As for "land of the free" America is probably at the bottom of the list there. the World Prison Brief's data put the U.S. incarceration rate at 655 inmates per 100,000 people, which is nearly 7% higher than the rate of the next-closest country, El Salvador.

As for Gun Deaths.
The top six’s gun death tolls for 2016: Brazil was 43,200, the US 37,200, Mexico 15,400, Colombia 13,300, Venezuela 12,800, and Guatemala 5,090. Collectively, these countries made up less than 10 percent of the global population but 50.5 percent of the world’s gun deaths, the study found....... this was in 2016.

( yes this does include suicides as well.)

imagine a town with a population of 37,200 people getting wiped out every year.
The U.S. gun homicide rate is 25 times that of other high-income countries.

bottom line is guns in the states are way to accessible.

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Your "statistics" don't jive with current FBI data. You really need to compare apples to apples by demographic to get an accurate picture. I know there's American ex-pats who immigrated to Canada over many decades including draft dodgers and/or conscientious objectors during the Viet Nam war,many of whom I worked with in the auto industry. I noticed and was told by many of them that they wish they had stayed and toughed it out. Giving up their American citizenship has caused them great personal angst. Many are afraid to return home even for a visit even though a general amnesty was granted,but,they must still enter the "system" to be granted that amnesty. They don't trust that there still won't be ramifications should they decide to do that,so,they remain here. The american penal system is really out-of-whack. They incarcerate people for what we call minor crimes such as simple possession of a Marijuana. In most states,that trend is reversing,but,certainly not enough to accurately affect statistics which are greatly skewed.
I'm the only Canadian in an American big "R" republican,big "M" military family. I know and have seen first hand what treatment people receive who bad mouth their country,something we never or rarely see in this country. Draft dodgers need to stay here....not that we wanted them,in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

gun free zone again created by a Federal Law.

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The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was originally passed as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990. It added 18 U.S.C. § 922(q); 18 U.S.C.§ 922 itself was added by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

But some States allow guns ;

Michigan Senate OKs concealed pistol carry in schools, churches, day care centers
Paul Egan, Detroit Free Press Published 3:51 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2017 | Updated 12:27 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2017

[COLOR=#6E6E6E]Members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League gather in July 2010 to celebrate a new law permitting open carry of guns in bars. (Dayna Smith/For The Washington Post)

[COLOR=#111111]6. Guns at schools: In 2010, Kansas passed a law allowing the concealed carry of guns in K-12 schools, in violation of the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, which criminalizing the carrying of firearms in specified school zones. That act was ruled unconstitutional in U.S. v. Lopez as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause, and a revised statute was passed that limits the ban to guns "involved in interstate commerce," so it is possible that the Kansas statute does not run afoul of federal law in all cases.
[COLOR=#111111]This past week, Michigan followed suit, with state legislators passing a law allowing concealed carry in schools, bars, daycare centers and churches. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has not signed the bill into law, and its ultimate passage is now in doubt due to the Newtown incident.

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The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was originally passed as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990. It added 18 U.S.C. § 922(q); 18 U.S.C.§ 922 itself was added by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

But some States allow guns ;

Michigan Senate OKs concealed pistol carry in schools, churches, day care centers
Paul Egan, Detroit Free Press Published 3:51 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2017 | Updated 12:27 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2017

[COLOR=#6E6E6E]Members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League gather in July 2010 to celebrate a new law permitting open carry of guns in bars. (Dayna Smith/For The Washington Post)

[COLOR=#111111]6. Guns at schools: In 2010, Kansas passed a law allowing the concealed carry of guns in K-12 schools, in violation of the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, which criminalizing the carrying of firearms in specified school zones. That act was ruled unconstitutional in U.S. v. Lopez as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause, and a revised statute was passed that limits the ban to guns "involved in interstate commerce," so it is possible that the Kansas statute does not run afoul of federal law in all cases.
[COLOR=#111111]This past week, Michigan followed suit, with state legislators passing a law allowing concealed carry in schools, bars, daycare centers and churches. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has not signed the bill into law, and its ultimate passage is now in doubt due to the Newtown incident.

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Yes some states are basically telling the feds to stuff it. Although only time will tell if it does any good.

Mental illness?

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Originally Posted by glen

Mental illness?

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Without doubt. Anyone who would do something like that is certifiably nuts. The common denominator in every one of these acts is that many people knew beforehand that the shooters were unbalanced,had access to firearms or explosives and were planning their attack,but,failed to notify the proper authorities,although,even if Police knew that something was coming,under the current laws,they're virtually powerless to act under the US Constitution until something bad happens. That MUST change. A Federal "Red Flag" law needs to be enacted much the same as what we have here,although,that's not what we call it.
Our Attorney General needs to send a copy of our licensing and oversight system to their AG. It's not perfect,but,it works well for the most part and it's a damn sight better than what they have,now.

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Without doubt. Anyone who would do something like that is certifiably nuts. The common denominator in every one of these acts is that many people knew beforehand that the shooters were unbalanced,had access to firearms or explosives and were planning their attack,but,failed to notify the proper authorities,although,even if Police knew that something was coming,under the current laws,they're virtually powerless to act under the US Constitution until something bad happens. That MUST change. A Federal "Red Flag" law needs to be enacted much the same as what we have here,although,that's not what we call it.
Our Attorney General needs to send a copy of our licensing and oversight system to their AG. It's not perfect,but,it works well for the most part and it's a damn sight better than what they have,now.

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I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

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I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

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The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

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They could have a system exactly like ours without interfering with their Second Amendment.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

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I wish we had lobby groups that could strike terror into the hearts of politicians whose sole motivation once they're elected is to get re-elected.The NRA and GOA simply wrap themselves in Old Glory and paint opposing politicians as the cadres of communism and it works,too,given the American level of patriotism. In Canada,because we're only a hop,skip and jump from full blown socialism (communism lite) at any given time,patriotism on the American level isn't and never has been a "thing."

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

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You have already gone through a back ground check when you applied for your PAL, you also go through a check when you renew!
You didn't tell them that without a valid PAL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY GUNS LEGALLY.

Re the NRA, why this ?;

NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings
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You have already gone through a back ground check when you applied for your PAL, you also go through a check when you renew!
You didn't tell them that without a valid PAL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY GUNS LEGALLY.

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I am only responsible for what I type, not what you assume I said, or what you think you read.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

You have already gone through a back ground check when you applied for your PAL, you also go through a check when you renew!
You didn't tell them that without a valid PAL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY GUNS LEGALLY.

Re the NRA, why this ?;

NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings
PUBLISHED AN HOUR AGO UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

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Re: Background checks... you are right. Licence applicants not only go through rigorous background checks, but once a licence is issued, you are under constant scrutiny.

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Re: Background checks... you are right. Licence applicants not only go through rigorous background checks, but once a licence is issued, you are under constant scrutiny.

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I believe you and Jaycee missed the point.

Once a PAL is issued there is no background check every time you walk in to buy something, with pages and pages of paperwork.

Their background check system is so bad at times it will drive you around the bend. You walk in and want to buy two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun. You fill out paperwork on each one, yes that is right four sets of duplicate paperwork or some times you can put all four on the same form. The store sends off the paperwork, and you can get ok'ed for both handguns and a rifle, but the shotgun gets turned down. Store Clerk checks to see what problem is and is told to resend paperwork. This time you get turned down for the handguns and the rifle but approved for the shotgun.

The horror stories sales staff have told me could make you cry..

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

I believe you and Jaycee missed the point.

Once a PAL is issued there is no background check every time you walk in to buy something, with pages and pages of paperwork.

Their background check system is so bad at times it will drive you around the bend. You walk in and want to buy two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun. You fill out paperwork on each one, yes that is right four sets of duplicate paperwork or some times you can put all four on the same form. The store sends off the paperwork, and you can get ok'ed for both handguns and a rifle, but the shotgun gets turned down. Store Clerk checks to see what problem is and is told to resend paperwork. This time you get turned down for the handguns and the rifle but approved for the shotgun.

The horror stories sales staff have told me could make you cry..

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What kind of a system do they have down there? Is each state system different? Do they require a separate application for each firearm or the total purchase?

At least Trump is addressing the problem down south, mental illness, not guns. If guns are the problem, then why is there no problem with alcohol when 29 people are killed every single day from drunk driving in the USA?

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I believe you and Jaycee missed the point.

Once a PAL is issued there is no background check every time you walk in to buy something, with pages and pages of paperwork.

Their background check system is so bad at times it will drive you around the bend. You walk in and want to buy two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun. You fill out paperwork on each one, yes that is right four sets of duplicate paperwork or some times you can put all four on the same form. The store sends off the paperwork, and you can get ok'ed for both handguns and a rifle, but the shotgun gets turned down. Store Clerk checks to see what problem is and is told to resend paperwork. This time you get turned down for the handguns and the rifle but approved for the shotgun.

The horror stories sales staff have told me could make you cry..

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What State would that be ? It certainly would be a pain in the arse !

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What kind of a system do they have down there? Is each state system different? Do they require a separate application for each firearm or the total purchase?

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There must be a wire variety of rules between each state,this link provides a lot of info state by state ;
/lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/prohibited-people-state-by-state/

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/search-gun-law-by-state/
https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...ic/open-carry/

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What kind of a system do they have down there? Is each state system different? Do they require a separate application for each firearm or the total purchase?

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What State would that be ? It certainly would be a pain in the arse !

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yes Rick it is a pain in the rear.

To cover both of your questions I will need to fill in some basic background.
First when it comes to sales of ammo, firearms and classes of firearms you can buy, there is a "MINIMUM" standard set by the Federal Government.
After each state has put in a system that meets that minimum Federal standard, they can decide to make state laws the require a higher or more restrictive limits. This is were you hear about were an 18 year old can buy Hand guns, Rifles, or shotguns in one state, but has to 19 or 20 in the next state to buy a rifle or shotgun and 21 to buy a handgun.

As for owning a gun or carrying one, once you are 18, not a felon and not under a doctors care for mental illness, you can have a gun with no training, no experience....you don't even have to know your butt from a hole in the ground. Purchasing and Owning are handled totally Different.
The Second Amendment mean you ALWAYS have the right to own( if your not a Felon), but you don't always have the right to buy.
As for paperwork for a background check it first meets the federal, and then any extra restriction placed on sales by a State. The background check gets filled out with pretty much the same info that our (R)PAL applications do, except there is no need to prove you have any training.

Can you buy more then one firearm per set of paperwork?

Federal Standard: YES

State Standard: Some States Yes.
Some States Yes if you are only buying Rifles and Shotguns Each Hand gun is a separate background check
Some State Yes unless it is your first purchase in your life, or the first time purchase of that class of firearm.
( Handgun, Rifle, Shotgun)
Some states NO F'ing way!

Now when you look at our (R)PAL system you have to admit we do have it good.

Just for a interesting note:

If I have a Residence( or some times just a hunting License) in a State, I can buy firearms in that State even though I am a Canadian. If I am buying Black Powder Rifles there is no Residence required. It's not the buying it's the EXPORTING them to Canada.