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hey im looking at one of these ,
i found one for a decent price but im not to sure how the eiger series is, kinda new to atvs here. i know they had issues and recalls in 2001 for all automatic eigers but cant really find any reviews on the 2003. anyone have any input?
gunna need to go take a big drive to check it out but id rather not make the drive if theres known issues. thanks in advance guys.
A buddy of mine has a 2005.. it has been rock solid.. I believe the only repair he has done so far is front wheel bearings.
His only complaint is that it's too fast in reverse ( manual shift model)
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hmm thats good to hear, ive only seen a few reviews on them, i guess if i cant find any complaints about them that easily they must be reliable,Quote:
Originally Posted by GYPSEE
going to pick it up tomorrow lol. clearly no many people know about problems with this model either so well see how it goes.
Hopefully your getting it for a good price.. best of luckQuote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
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hey guys just a update, so we ended up going down to get it. not in that bad of shape considering its a 2003, so here are the problems that weve ran into.
- headlights dont work
- petcock doesn't have a off on it
-when it runs it smells like its pumping to much fuel
-air box and air filter are filthy
- parking break doesn't work
as of right now, these issues are very minimal, ive found a solution to basically everything.
- fixed headlights (brass conductor wasnt flush against the other brass to turn on headlights)
-pumping out to much fuel not enough air intake/ petcock no off option. solution ( buy yamaha raptor 660 petcock switch out with the stock one i have, this will let me connect the air valves as well, as of right now we air valves are plugged, this is because of the petcock i have now and to much fuel that is being sucked into the air valve like a vacuum resulting in some fuel in airbox.
- buy new air filter clean out airbox.
- the parking break will be another project after i get it running again.
keep in mind i have no experience with atvs ive been reading alot and watching some videos as well. if anyone else has any advice id love to hear it :)
ive already learned taking parts apart and puting them back together is like learning to ride a bike once you know how to do it its very easy, it all looks very intimidating but once you know where some parts are you basically golden.
ONE MORE THING
im thinking of emptying the oil and the gas and putting fresh gas and oil in it. i made a little stupid move and on the way home i put in 91. got home and started it up and it started spiting blackish smoke. im thinking its because i put 91 in there and the guy i got it off of probably hasn't started it up in a while and i mixed the old gas that was siting in the tank with the fresh gas. this and the combo of the no air intake i think is producing this. ( yes we tested it when we got there and it was fine no black smoke)
Well nothing wrong with running fresh 91 gas. Typically premium has no ethanol which is a good thing. Black smoke means excess fuel. Likely some crap in the carb causing it to run rich. Running without the air box would make it run a tad leaner if anything. I would have checked the compresion first and before buying it and would so that first before you spend anymore money on it. If that is ok then completely flush the tank, oil change, carb rebuild and check and adjust the valve clearance.
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hah as i said im totally new to atvs learning on the way! i will try and do a compression test today when i get home. i appreciate your input. i think im going to flush the tank and change the oil either way as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rippin_355
so your saying its gunna be crap in the carb then huh. im gunna try and get this new [petcock and hook up the air as well ive heard ity makes it run wayyyy smoother as that petcock has a OFF on it as well. the petcock i have now has no off switch. if that doesnt work i guess well have to take the carb apart then. i want hre new petcock erither way. i heard having a OFF on it is much safer as well.
its kinda a project for me and my dad so we dont mind spending a little more money on it. even if we do have to rebuild a couple parts we dont mind we see it as a learning experience weve already been taking things apart and i found a manual online for the model i have as well.
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i think your right actually, i just opened my airbox and theres gas in there now. im not sure how tbh. im going to take the carb apart and clean it. i already had the airbox opened yesterday now theres like a inch of gas in there some how.Quote:
Originally Posted by rippin_355
Does the bike smoke after warmed up? Hard to start?
My uncle has an eiger for a farm quad. My cousin used and abused it for a long time. I know the odometer has turned over back to zero so over 10000 km on it. Bald tires, plastics have more tie straps holding it together than anything. Bike still runs fine, Suzuki makes bullet proof quads just like honda.
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it only smokes when i gave it a little throttle.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
i think its the carb, theres about a a couple cm of gas in the air box now, there was nothing when i took it apart yesterday. i think i will take the carb apart and clean it.
My guess it's that petcock. If it's like my suzuki there's a PRI setting on it. It will continue to dump gas into the carb ( then overflow into airbox) if it's not working right.
You can buy new one on Amazon cheap. You might be able to take it apart and clean it, wouldn't hurt to clean the carb too.
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Ok... congrats on your new purchase, I didn't realize before how green you were in regards to ATVs, so be be safe.
The fuel petcock will have an OFF position.. it's most likely between the ON and RES.. I've never seen a bike that didn't have a fuel shut off.
Always, and I mean ALWAYS run premium fuel.. preferably Shell V-power as it's the only fuel without Ethanol.. other brands have 5% ethanol, shell has none in the V power.. ethanol is what kills fuel systems in carburator engines.. as a matter of fact, run V power in everything you own other than your car or truck.
Your ATV will need the carb cleaned and compression checked.. try and find someone to show you how to clean the carb, or at least watch some YouTube videos on how to do it for. After that, change all the fluids in the whole machine ( engine oil and front and rear diffs) and it should be good to go.
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Come to think of it my friend has a kids size suzuki quad that had something funky going on with the petcock too. They are a bit different compared your typical shut off.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
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this petcock does not have a off postition. this is why im going to buy the yamaha one, ive heard they fit perfectly and i would be able to hook up my air as well. i think the petcock is the main issue as well if you look bacxk at my other post i posted some pics of the petcock as well. . ive got the whole body off of it. took out the airbox and im gunna take the carb out tomorrow probably. i appriciate all the answers!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GYPSEE
i think the issue is the petcock mainly with no OFF i will be taking apart the petcock and carb tomorrow as well as drain the tank and oil.
On is off. It's under vaccum when running. You turn it to Pri (Prime)and it will fill the carb without bike running. If you leave it on PRI it will fill the air box. Both my suzukis are like this. If its faulty like yours seems to be, it wont stop leaking fuel from the tank.
My guess this is the problem. Do that before doing any carb work.
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thanks. i have it set to ON now hopefully it doesnt leak much more. i just ordered these hopefully by the end of the week ill be able to test her out again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
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Ahh ok.. I just did a 5 minute Google search and it appears that the fuel petcock is vacuum activated so it will only flow with the engine running.. if it is faulty or stuck in the PRIme position , fuel will gravity feed into the carb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
If you do modify it with a non vacuum style, be sure to plug the vacuum line.
I've never seen a petcock activated by engine vacuum.
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yeah thats why i was a little confused i guess. the vacuum and air lines have already been plugged. hopegfully the new petcock will fix the problem if not i gotta take the carb apart and i really dont want to do that at the moment lol. id rather seen if the new parts fix the problem and if not ill have to take the carb apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by GYPSEE
ok shipping screwed my order up so i gotta wait until tomorrow. i got the airbox completely off all the panels and have drained the gas tank. im gunna go grab some oil tomrorow give her a oil change and the petcock comes int he mail as well tomorrow so ill be installing that.
Questions
my air filter doesnt come in until next week, after i change up the petcock and oil change and give her some fresh gas and re install the airbox can i run her with no air filter just to see if the black smoke is gone? i wont be riding it but i would like to see if the petcock made a change?
also is the fuel filter as easy as it seems? cut the tube fit clamp to tube and done?
Unless your air filter is physically damaged, you can just wash it, dry it, oil it and reuse it. You should not run the engine without an air filter.
ok i ave the old one still if you go scroll up you'll see the condition its in. im not familiar with this stuff so it looks pretty mangled to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rf2
You can run it without air filter if bike is just sitting to make sure it runs right.
You can wash it with dawn dish soap to clean it. Watch you dont tear it, it its looks like the foam is falling apart I'd replace it as it will suck foam particles in if its wore out.
When you get a new a filter, buy filter oil to coat it, it helps stop small dirt getting in. You can ruin a motor quick with a crappy filter.
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Sorry, I had not seen the picture before responding. You could still use that filter if you make sure to use rim grease to prevent any air bypassing the filter, but I agree that you should just replace it - standard filters are not that expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
ok. canada post sucks number 1 thats what i get for getting the free 30 day prime lmfao
, i will have to wait until tomrrow to replace petcock and i will also get the fuel filter tomorrow. i got a new oil filter today as well, i havent drained the oil yet or done a oil change yet. im reading im suppose to put in motorcycle 5W-30 SAE OIL. couldnt find any at canadian tire today. is this right?
1 more question regarding the tubes for the carb. once i get the raptor petcock i have to plug the tube that was originally runing air to the original petcock correct? i also have another im guessing vent tube that is cut on a 45 thats running towards the air box i guess i just leave it where ever? also i seen a little bolt hole on the right side of the airbox that lines up with a part of the frame with a bunch of holes. im guessing this is the secure bolt? i dont think it was on when i got it but it looks like it fits.
so air box has been cleaned of dirt and garbage including the metal grate that had a litttttle blackish gunk on it. i have reinstalled the airbox. waiting to do oil change and change petlock and we will see how she runs with no air filter on idle for a few minutes. i mainly just want to get rid of the black smoke first off and also see if the new petcock works well.
just a note to all, dont get amazon prime. i had 2 day delivery with amazon prime i sent th eorder out on monday, said it was suppose to be here Wednesday morning nothing, called amazon back, they say my package in on its way yesterday nothing, call them again, they say my package will be here today almost 100% wait nothing. message a REP this morning he said its on the way to my house nothing, now i gotta wait until tomorrow ugh. crappy tire also agve me the wrong oil filter for my atv as well. i gues the higher power in the world doesnt want me to fix this atv LOL
You could try Royal Distributing for your needs in the future.
just bookmarked it thanks! ok i got the new petcock on. new oil filter puting new oil in it as we speak and put the fuel filter on. still waiting for air filter, going to start it up today as see how it goes. also ordered some new fuel hoeses ill be putting those in on saturday. i hope the transmission isnt ed up on this thing or ill be pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rf2
ok heres my update.
so, new petcock is on works fine. put a inline fuel filter, new air filter, new oil filter, new oil , new vent hose new fuel hoses new wheel bearings as well nothing to do with the smoke but my front wheels were about to fall over lol. i had it running yesterday, was working fine, black smoke was slowly going away and then it was gone, once the black smoke cleared up was driving it up and down the driveway a few times. put it back into neutral, let it idle for a few minutes and all of a sudden the RPMs in IDLE started to go nuts, i tried turning pilot screw a few half turns but the RPMs were still skyrocketing. it ended up dying out so we started it back up again and fixed the idle and now its back to puffing black smoke more than before. we put a little fuel treatment in the gas tank and my fuel filter is showing little black and red particles now almost like little pieces of paint or plastic.
i havent taken the carb off of it to clean it, my dad doesn't really want me to because weve never done it before but im not scared of it. ive basically figured out everything else about this atv on youtube and forums so why not right. before i take the carb out to clean it ive heard of something called SEAFOAM. should i just drain my gas tank put new nice fuel in there and run SEAFOAM through it and see how that goes before i take the carb apart?
please any input is appreciated, this atv is slowly driving me insane LOL
If it idles fine before adjusting jets, Dont start messing with them. You will be in for a whole lot of headaches.
Look up factory settings for the carb (main jet size, pilot jet turns in or out and needle clip (which one) BEFORE you tear into it. When carb is apart, seat the jets(count how many turns in until seated) and reset back to factory settings.
I'd watch as many videos on youtube about your type of carb (mikuni I think) so you have an idea what everything does. Remember most the screws are VERY soft and can be stripped easy.
When the idle started going high it could be so many things, choke stuck, throttle stuck, needle not seating right, float not working right.
I wouldn't be too concerned about black smoke, dump some seafoam right in the intake at mid throttle and let it almost stall it out. That will help clean it out a bit. You can add motor to gas tank, crank case as needed.
I'd be worried about white smoke, not so much with black smoke.
What's the spark plug look like? Black and wet all the time?
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Originally Posted by SongDog
thats 1 more thing i havent looked at actually i only took the top of it off but not the actual plug. it was like 1am last night and oi had to wake up at 6 this morning lol . i will look at that today, i dont even think my choke works to be honest its that little thing that flips up or down on the left side handle bar beside my electric start right? it doesnt even look like that thing is hooked up to anything. ive taken the starer apart and it doesnt look like that attaches to anything. its just a piece of plastic that lines up with he starter, unless im missing something there?
reason im a little worried witht he black smoke is it pushes alot of black smoke out when i throttle. with the seafoam do i get the one that sprays for the intake or just the liquid is fine for the intake?
That lever on the left bar is for the choke. Down is on, up is off. It's likely broke as there is a small plastic piece in there. The cable seizes or sticks and too much pressure on the lever breaks the plastic piece. These are cheap parts anywhere but the dealer. Again look this up on YouTube and you will see a fix or replacement.
If choke isnt working and bike fires up no problem than it's likely running a bit rich hense the black smoke. Not a huge problem if it's not running like crap bogging and backfiring. Better than lean anyways.
I buy the liquid seafoam in a can. I've got in practically everything from my push lawnmower to my 2 stroke 250 trike.
Does the exhaust have a spark arrestor (metal screen at the end of the exhaust. Does this look all carboned up? Maybe its half plugged and the exhaust is severally restricted making it blow the smoke out one spot
I hope you got a really good deal on this bike lol
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nope choke works actually, i can hear a slight difference when i move it slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
just used seafoam directly into he air intake with the spray bottle. it sounds better, but now im having the issue in idle its sounding like its about to Bog out with black smoke now if i give it over half throttle,. ive gotten it more than half now but still sounds like its going to stall out. any suggestions ? the high idle is now gone tho LOL story of this atv if its not one thing its another it doesnt blow any black smoke sitting in idle now tho. only when i give it throttle more than half. im going to get a new plug and replace that plug as well.
another update
toopk my carb apart today..... MY MAIN JET WASNT EVEN SCREWED IN. it was just dangling around inside my carb. my other 2 jets were also clogged up a bit. LOL im soaking everything in carb cleaner now will give another update in a few hours when i get everything back together. also my seat doesnt look like it wants to come off at all. ive tried needle nose plyers nothing wants to work, so i guess ill just leave it for now put everything back together unclogged and actually screwed in THE JETS see how she goes. im very confident this was the problem LOL
i do not have a carb kit, i prob will grab one in the future but nothing looks damaged. well see how she goes.
looks like that fixed the problem, it was purring like a kitten. but now it doesnt want to start. my spark plug was just covered in black. sdo i ordered another should come in tomorrow!
Might want to check the resistance in the plug capQuote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
ugh what a show. the top of my old plug was stuck in my boot and i finally got it out but i think i ruined the inside of the boot in the process because this new spark plug does not want to pop in now and a couple things fell out the boot in the process of me getting the stupid thing out, i got a different spark plug for it but i know for a fact its suppose to fit this model.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridgrunner
hah i fixed it, the new spark plugs have a nut on them you need to take off before installing! it fits and works great!!! purring like a kitten!!! thanks to all!
Right on. I was cheering for you. HaHa. Wasn’t sure which way it was going to end. HaHa. Good for you. Job well done. :thumbup:
lol yeah, might have to rebuild the carb soon and grab a carb kit i might just do that, when i took it apart last time the seat didnt come out, and i ddint want to break it cuz i had no carb kit lol. i think i flooded the carb yesterday trying to get the fuel mixture screw right and trying to start it up mulitple times, just unscrewed the bleed screw and let it drain today, gunna try and get it started again lol. none the less when it did start it sounded great. my dad was running out of patience and kept screwing witht the mixture screw when it wasn't starting up. ugh. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
lol ended up being the battery, 2 and a half weeks of turnign it on and testing it ran a toll on it, good thing i have a charger for it, its at less than 30% LOL. was about to take the whole carb apart. AGAINQuote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
I had 2 Suzuki 300 king quads, Very bullet proof machines still have the 98 model. Biggest problem was rear bearings, they are wish bone suspension . Replaced the wheel bearings, a couple of times put a grease fitting on either side keep it pumped full, keeps dirt and moisture out. Had problem with brakes and wheels freezing in cold weather if run in water or mud, Ended up removing the brake shoes, and putting them on the shelf. My bikes get used for fall hunting and are not baby"ed . Never had motor trouble. old243
good to hear, year the rear brakes to work but i got the front brakes working great.Quote:
Originally Posted by old243