I have an old 94 saddle ring carbine on .30 WCF serial # 123xxx with a peepsight, where would I go to get an accurate value on such a firearm
Thanks
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I have an old 94 saddle ring carbine on .30 WCF serial # 123xxx with a peepsight, where would I go to get an accurate value on such a firearm
Thanks
Maybe take a look on Canadian gun nutz. Lots of information to be had there.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
I looked up my serial number on the web and it gave a lot info to year made, then I looked a gun forums to find a price range. Mine is a 1956, Model 94Attachment 38831
Finding a buyer will be the hard part. I was at the Carp show last week and there were a lot of win 94's for sale. One guy had at least 8 in his 'collection', that he was trying to liquidate. I don't think he sold any. I had seen him at an earlier show and he still had most if not all of them from that show.
We were looking for a Win 95 so I wasn't paying to much attention to the prices on the 94's but seem to me they we're in the $500-$800 range.
Couldn't pay me to take one those rattleboxs home.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
We need more people like you to bring the classics down in price, thanks, you can have your savage bolt action and leave all the fun guns to the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Your rifle was manufactured in 1901. Is the peep sight tang or receiver mounted?Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
The 500-800 range mentioned above is fairly accurate - assuming its not in rough shape.
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Originally Posted by Fox
You can have them. I don't consider loading a rifle through the side of the receiver into a tube mag and full cycles to unload live rounds a fun gun. Hunt a farm field and it becomes useless with its anemic ballistics, rainbow trajectory..lol
Ha ha ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Your validity it talks about firearms have just sunk to a new low, have fun buddy.
How good is a 30-30 at 300yds? Fox?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That does not matter to a lot of people hunting in Ontario, nor does it matter to the millions of lever action shooters out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
How are you at hitting a pie plate at 300 yards? Let me guess, off hand at 300 yards you have no problem dropping a buck on a full run.
Why a pissing match? OP asked a question, got some answers, end of story.
Great rifles, will last hundreds of years, lots of variation in value based on where you are and when you are trying to sell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
When Winchester stopped making them they went through the roof but that has worn off and people still realize there are tons of them around. Weird ones in weird calibers are worth more to a collector, like the 94 rifle with a 26in barrel, but the standard 20in carbine in 30-30 will bring $500 no problem.
Using blinds like this one. A steady rest in all directions is all it takes lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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No need to shoot a running deer across a field.
Tang mounted and its in pretty decent shape for an almost 120 year old firearm
I often wonder the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
I often wonder the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdbuff
I could be mistaken but I thought at one time right on Winchester's website you could plug all your information in and you could get an accurate estimate. Now it looks like you have to pay for an estimate.
Skeeter - Accuracy Plus in Peterborough might be able to give you an idea over the phone.
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I have a couple of them and love them. They are my favourite rifles.
I've never tried to figure out their value, mostly because I'd never sell them anyway.
Have a saddle ring rifle with 26" octagon barrel made in 1900 and a saddle ring carbine made in 1913, both in 30/30.
As for shooting 300 yards? Why would I want to do that when it's just as easy for me to shoot one at 20 or 40? lol
30/30 I assume? Is it the original sight for the gun? You can email Winchester and they should be able to give you more info. You can get the year from their website but pictures in an email could help you with knowing the originality of the parts, which would change the value.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter1
There is a massive range of prices for them due to all the options and the collectible nature of these rifles.
Don't let a few people bring you down on this, they are 120 years and still shooting straight for a reason, they are classic and well built rifles.
You see everyone has an opinion. People think a 1993 Toyota Tacoma that has more rust than metal is worth $7000. The same happens with firearms. Unless something is rare and in exceptional condition it is just another one. This is certainly not the place to ask such questions as you can see from the typical 'experts' (keyboard commandos) on here!
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Proves the point....caution when you ask a collector..they sometimes have unrealistic value of the worth...what it's 'worth' is what someone is willing to pay for it...the market controls that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rippin_355
Not the place to ask questions??? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by rippin_355
Well even if it's just "another one" - assuming it's in reasonable shape - an every day shooter - the lowest price for a pre-64 m94 .30-30 on CGN is 500 bucks. There are a couple that are manufactured in the 40's and 50's. The tang peep site should make it worth a couple of hundred on top of that.
What it's worth as a collectible - unless you get down into the 5 digit numbers - not too much. There are a lot of the 1xxxxx rifles out there - I have two of them. It's value would be determined more on it's condition than its age. And what Mike points out - what it's worth is what someone is willing to pay for it - and if there is someone really interested in a 100+ year old rifle that a) could still be used for a daily shooter and b) has commonly available ammo - well - that rifle could be worth quite a bit.
I think you'll have the same problem with non-internet appraisers as you have here.
There is not enough information in the post, you could say $100-$10,000, ha ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
There are a few peeps out there with more than the guns they are mounted on.
I have a winchester 32 special. Are they more rare than the 30? I've never had a problem getting bullets for it. I think my dad bought it, along with a single 12 gauge from Sears in the late 30s.
CT has 32 Win Special, 170gr, it is not as easy as 30-30 to find but not rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Just saying you have a 32 Win Special will not narrow down at a value at all.
I to have a Model 94, Winchester .32 Special. Shells are not hard to find.
The topic is 94 winchester. I'm just enquiring as to whether the 32 is more rare than the 30/30. Not interested in the value and said i never had a problem finding bullets. i generally hear folks talk about the 94 30/30 but not so much the 32special.
Less common by more than 10:1 I'd guess, but still not uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Seems nearly everyone I know that has more than one CF rifle has at least one .30-30. I only know of one person that has a .32.
But based on availability of ammo - there must be a few out there.
Then again there are a lot of .444's out there - but Cabelas has stopped carrying ammo for them.
Thanks Werner,that's kinda what I was wondering cause I can get ammo everywhere I've look. Just dont hear too much about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Ya, your 444 is an oddball.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
My uncle has a 307 Win, when Hornady re-introduced it he found a bunch of ammo and stocked up (80rds, ha ha, typical Ontario hunter).
In our hunt group. 3 of us have model 94,s in .32 win spcl. we love em, mine is .32 spcl. ackley improved, it has killed many deer for me but not at 300 yards,:)Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Interesting, an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on the Winchester 1894:
The United States government purchased 1,800 commercial Model 1894s with 50,000 .30-30 cartridges during World War I. These rifles in the 835800 to 852500 serial number range were marked atop the receiver ring with a flaming bomb and "U.S." The rifles were intended for United States Army Signal Corps personnel stationed in the Pacific Northwest to prevent labor strike actions from interrupting manufacture of Sitka spruce lumber for framing the fuselage and wings of military aircraft.[
its a fine gun and a fine caliber for deer size game and black bear and no one can argue that. 300 bucks wholesale on the low end...825 bucks retail on the high end. Keep it, use it, shoot it or sell it. that choice is yours.
“One guy had at least 8 in his 'collection', that he was trying to liquidate. I don't think he sold any.”Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Why am I not surprised. You use to go to gun shows to get a bargain, now if you go to gun shows looking for a gun you are more likely to get fleeced. They are selling used products in dubious condition for top dollar. You are better off to go to a reputable gun shop and purchase new. I use to mention to individuals looking for a gun to check out a few gun shows, but not anymore.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Not
Ya, go to their retail store and see the same guns that were at the gun show for 20-30% less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
The 22LR ammo blows me away, $5 a box for borderline shooter grade Thunderbolt or Imperial from the 80s. We were 5min from a walmart where I could buy new stuff for $3.50 a box. Sometimes you find a deal, I got 2 lbs of sealed IMR Powder for the price of 1lb but seeing partial boxes of bullets for the same as a box of 100 is the norm.
The resurgence of the .45-70 has been a curse to the .444. Let's face it if you wanted something big, why a .429 when there's a .458.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
But I've got a pretty good stash of ammo - 400+ rounds including 45 of the "good stuff" - the original 265 grain Remington's.
The good news is that you can load that brass a lot, keep your brass and there will always be .429 bullets to put in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Cartridges come and go, some last longer than others, it is what it is.
Ever see a 7-30 Waters out in the bush?
Looks like you can buy a new Marlin 1895 in .444 again. Hopefully that helps with the ammo issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
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As it happens I had the pleasure to handle a friends very nice Win 94 .30 WCF this morning and had a nice chat with him (gun collector) . I asked about the value and it depends on a few things.
This one I saw was very rare; it was a breakdown Carbine, octagon barrel with the flip up peep sight on the tang. It was valued to the right buyer for more than a $1K.
If it is the more common model, the price drops to the sub-$800 mark, again based on all the other factors.
You have a nice gun there...very nice weight to it, love that peep sight (worth over a $100 in itself ) !
Interesting post. I have an 1894 44-40 Winchester carbine that I shot a deer with 5 years ago. I am going to follow up on some of the suggestions given and see if I can find the value of this gun.
Is that a Model 1894 in .44-40 or a Model 94 in .44-40 or a Model 1892 made in 1894?Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxx
As far as I know, Winchester never made the 1894 in .44-40, though Marlin did.
I believe all Winchesters in .44-40 were stamped either Model 1873, Model 1892 or Model 92, or Model 94.
You may have a real rarity. The .44-40 is a fun cartridge; I wish I had kept the one I had.
Skeeter1, give Don Kennedy a call at 705-522-8012.
Hey - just checked the marlin catalog - you're right. It's back as an 1895 model, not as the .444S.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
It's possible you have an very odd/rare rifle that *shouldn't* exist. The m94 wasn't chambered for .44-40 until the 1980's. The m92 was chambered for .44-40 until it's end in 1940. There is also a lesser-known marlin 1894 which was chambered in .44-40 - but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't confuse the two. Just curious - what year does your serial number indicate the year of production for your rifle? If it's an early one, it is a rare one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxx
My 44 40 was patented in New Haven Connetticut in 1884 and the serial # is774205. Iron sights and it is dead on.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Way cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxx
I do believe you have a Model 1892 Winchester, built in 1915.
John Browning received that 1884 patent, and used the vertical locking lugs described therein on both the Model 1886 and the 1892.
I had a 24-inch round-barreled rifle I wish I'd kept.
I sure liked that one I had for the short time I had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
Then it wouldn't be a m94 then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxx
Still have it... It doesn't get a lot of use though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilo Charlie
Paid $ 750 for mine.
Probably paid too much; 1920's serial, just had to have an octagon barrel.
Heavy too carry but enjoy the look of it
Ha ha! It would be the same if I still owned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche