Has anyone lost their shotgun on the 401 in Whitby?
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Has anyone lost their shotgun on the 401 in Whitby?
Wow interesting find. Now only if we had some sort of gun registry to get it back to its owner. (ya Ya bad joke may still be too soon :silly:)
You must have some good eyes. I to scan the road side never know what you'll see.
I have Hawkeyes but wasn't me that found it I saw it one the news this morning,boy when that guy gets to duck blind and realizes he lost his gun he's going to be pissed!
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Ya, not a good thing
The owner, if he claims it, will get his hands slapped no doubt.
I believe it was in a case, if I heard right? Prolly set it on the back of a truck and forgot about it. No big deal it can happen
Hope he reported the loss !Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I'm thinking he/she may not have, if the police are in search of the owner? I don't think there are too many shotguns found on the roadside, so the police would have little trouble to connect the dots if it had been reported?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Yep !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Maybe an unsecured load? would be the most painless way out?
Just glad a good Samaritan turned it in or could have been worse...
In my case I decided to drive away forgetting rifle was on the hard tonneau cover until I heard it slide off. But I was in a field, not on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
It's a big deal if it's not reported as lost (or stolen).Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Depends how far he drove. He may not realize it's even missing yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Nobody will claim this gun there are two charges that will accompany getting it back one for improper storage and two no trigger lock during transport
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can you quote the law that say's that shotgun has to be trigger locked during transport please? And if it was in transport, it wasnt in storage, so what law will apply? Please explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
No trigger lock required when transporting non restricted firearms.
If the owner thinks like a poster,here,he may be afraid to report it not knowing the law. If that's the case,it may have simply "gone overboard" when it's reported to the insurance company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Writing off the loss of a $400 shotgun would be considerably cheaper than reporting (claiming) it. Especially since you now know it's safely in the hands of the police.
Someone needs to brush up on the firearms regulations !Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Yes they do lol, I have never put a trigger lock on ANY long gun. Straight from my safe to gun case to my truck. I've even had it out of the case riding in the passenger seat (unloaded, action open). Have been stopped by OPP n MNR like this. If I have to leave the truck then it's in the case and out of sight and truck locked.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm geez that was hard to look up
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Please note the section on non-restricted firearms-"non-restricted firearms must be unloaded during transportation". There's also a distinct difference between "transportation" and "storage". You need to understand the regulations as they pertain to each separate item. Your interpretation of each is incorrect. There's NO law that says non-restricteds must be trigger locked while being transported OR when in use under a person's direct control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
I may stand to be corrected, non-restricted must be unloaded during transport. Also they must be out of sight and doors locked if your not in the vehicle with firearm. I've been stopped before twice by police with uncased rifle on passenger seat. They checked to make sure they were unloaded and on my way I went.
You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
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Originally Posted by Radartrap
Looking up and comprehending appear to be two different things!
Please bear in mind, I wasn't asking for my sake, I'm well aware of the law and how it applies for transport and storage. I was hoping you would look it up for your own benefit, to familiarize yourself with the requirements. Now that you have looked it up, please read it and learn something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
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Originally Posted by Radartrap
Geez that didn’t take long too look up............too bad you didn’t take the time to read it so you don’t look like a fool on the internet........prime example of why you don’t go by what people say on these forums........look it up yourself.......read it........and UNDERSTAND IT!!!!
It clearly says must be trigger locked or prevent from operating under the transportation section issued by the rcmp. Do what you want you will have no excuse I’ll tell you the same thing the opp said to me when I challenged the trigger lock. Would you prefer a provincial fine from a co or a federal fire arms chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
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Man, the BS on this forum never ceases to amaze me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
What you're suggesting is not wrong or bad, it's just that it is not necessary under the regulations. By all means lock it up if it makes you happy. But when I'm out in the bush travelling down some logging road and I see a moose standing off in the distance, you can be sure I won't be looking for a key to unlock my rifle. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
Oh and by the way, you were arguing with a couple of retired police officers on here.:moose:
[QUOTE=Radartrap;1093154]It clearly says must be trigger locked or prevent from operating under the transportation section issued by the rcmp. Do what you want you will have no excuse I’ll tell you the same thing the opp said to me when I challenged the trigger lock. Would you prefer a provincial fine from a co or a federal fire arms charge
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This is from the RCMP bulletin you posted....
Non-restricted firearms must be unloaded during transportation
Note......”non-restricted”...
Restricted or prohibs need locks....
COs will not give you a ticket for firearms act offences. They do not enforce the Firearms Act.
Further, IF an OPP officer said you need a trigger lock when transporting your shotgun, he or she needs a refresher course....
I was referring more when travelling on major roads and highways ie the 401Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
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Same rules apply.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
I knew I kept this pamphlet for some reason....
I have a few copies in all my gun cases.....in case a cop or CO needs a copy.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
You and me both...........and he keeps on going................just another day on the OOD forum.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprite
I come here strictly for the entertainment............ absolutely not for hunting and fishing reports and pictures..........nothing worth seeing here along those lines.........all the good posters have been pushed out by the trolls and computer screen hunters that now supply the content.
funny thing is these new guys are now bashing the few older members who are left that USED to post hunting stories and pics and actually go out hunting and know what they are doing...........they think it would be a better place with out..............haha!
What gets me is the imaginary laws that people want to impose on themselves.
I still shake my head at the same guys every year fiddling with keys and locks in the field. Even though they've been enlightened to the rules multiple times. Just stop! Enjoy the some of the freedom that we still actually have!
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;)Aw, just wait till the guy you called " bat $#!+ crazy " comes back from hunting around Ottawa, he will have more to add with all his knowledge.:rolleye:, that will add to your entertainment .;):)Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
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Originally Posted by duckslayer
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Originally Posted by GW11
You guys behave or I'll start a thread about trespassing!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Wow, some people never cease to amaze lol. This dolt obviously doesn't know the difference between restricted and non restricted weapons, smh.
I still get a kick out of posters that continue to argue after they've been shown where they're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
And to think he will be trying to mentor new hunters.........poor guys don’t have a chance........... smh just thinking about the stupidity that would have been said/shown durning that weekend........Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Well apparently they didn't do that well according to a post , yet JMatthews and crew limited out quickly and didn't have to drive almost 600 kilometers. There is good hunting around Chesley.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
I hate to bring this up again but, this is from the Act, Directly from The Gov. of Canada website, and it is very ambiguous, and can be confusing to some.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#h-1019997
Please read the very last paragraph.
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Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
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Regulations are current to 2019-06-21 and last amended on 2012-11-30. Previous Versions
Display of Non-Restricted Firearms
8 An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it
(a) is unloaded;
(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
Display of Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Firearms
9 (1) An individual may display a restricted firearm or a prohibited firearm in a dwelling-house only if
(a) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is unloaded;
(b) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is securely attached to a non-portable structure in such a manner that it cannot readily be removed;
(d) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it; and
(e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(2) An individual may display a restricted firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if it
(a) is unloaded;
(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the restricted firearm cannot readily be removed; and
(d) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(3) An individual may display a prohibited firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if
(a) the prohibited firearm is unloaded;
(b) the prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) the prohibited firearm is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the prohibited firearm cannot readily be removed;
(d) the prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(c) and (3)(c) do not apply if the firearm is detached from the structure so that the firearm may be handled by a person under the direct and immediate supervision of the individual displaying it.
Transportation of Non-Restricted Firearms
10 (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if
(a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and
(b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.
(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if
(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and
(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.
(3) If, in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting, an individual is transporting a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, and the vehicle or the part of it that contains the non-restricted firearm cannot be securely locked, the individual shall ensure that the non-restricted firearm
(a) is not visible; and
(b) is rendered inoperable by a secure locking device, unless the individual reasonably requires the non-restricted firearm for the control of predators.
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Originally Posted by jaycee
You missed one important point? Now go to your room and study!
key word unattended.....not applicable in this situation.Quote:
in an unattended vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, and the vehicle or the part of it that contains the non-restricted firearm cannot be securely locked, the individual shall ensure that the non-restricted firearm
edit add: worth repeating....faster typer BM :)
Try again!, I didn't say I was confused.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
You have to learn how to read legislation.....clauses, a and b, pertain to subsection 3, which pertains to transport in an unattended vehicle.... like Bushmoose and Mike have said.....
[QUOTE=rick_iles;1093160]I had an OPP ask me if my crossbow was registered (back in the gun registry days). The other officer started to laugh and walked away quietly. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radartrap
[QUOTE=DanO;1093375]Oh yea, it happens! I’m amazed at how little some officers know of the firearms regulations....Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Exactly. Unrestricted do not need trigger lock in transport.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21