Sylt Lake Tent Camps- Newfoundland Moose hunt review

Meet the owners at the Sportman Show this year, booked a guided moose hunt, both father and son that run it said I would have a great time, it was a total disappointment, over promised and under delivered, worst hunting experience.
Promised that I would spent a couple of nights in a spiked camp, never happened, catered more to the repeat clients, where they got their moose at the spiked camp. Angus who is main guide hands me off to a second rate guide who rarely called, doesn't work a moose we saw 1/2 before legal leaves the area completely go to another area loaded with hunters (its like they never wanted me to get a moose save for clients for the following week), we blow a tire, and no spare tire, thank God a good Newfie came out and helped. I spent most of the day as a tire jockey for the guide, digging for spare tires back at his house, didn't pay $4250.00 to be a tire jockey.
Then the guide falls asleep on me in the woods, and breaks into old cottages to find out who owns them. I couldn't make this up it was like a gong show.
The outfitter equipment is junk, they run old Polaris ATV's had two failure in one day on two different ATV's, afternoon hunt spoiled.
I knew my chance of getting a moose were very slim when the other two hunters saw 5 bulls half way through the week, who the owner admitted to me on the way back to the airport that he put more effort into their hunt, but it was good to take my money.
I told Angus that I wanted a partial refund said he would talk to his father, never heard from him again when I got back home here in Ontario. Left multiple messages, no reply finally his father called me back, gave me some BS about making it right and would discuss with his son about a refund, and would get back to in a couple of days never did, about 10 days later I left multiple messages and no reply. Finally he answered and said he did everything right and no partial refund....place is a joke
I have been skunked before on hunts but it was a terrible experience and these owners are not trustworthy people.

Sounds like a terrible experience and costly as well. Hope these jokers get what they deserve. Karma............................Daniel

Zero online reviews in any source.

Did you ask for any references before handing over the $$$?

Sounds you had a terrible experience. I think, OFAH should play an important role in these types of situations by putting the outfitter in its black-list and give them a notice. I am going to discuss it with OFAH and suggest it as one their responsibilities for their members. We should not allow these people to rip off us.

I feel for you man....that sucks big time.
I would get on social media and spread the work, it won't take long before those rip off artists get whats coming to them

Very sorry to hear about your experience. Sounds like it was a total sh#$show. Thanks for passing on the info. Wanted to get there soon for a hunt. Definitely wont bother with this outfitter.

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Sounds you had a terrible experience. I think, OFAH should play an important role in these types of situations by putting the outfitter in its black-list and give them a notice. I am going to discuss it with OFAH and suggest it as one their responsibilities for their members. We should not allow these people to rip off us.

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The OFAH appear to be only one of the many sponsors so I am not to sure what they would do for you,from the show website it gives you some info.

The show is owned by The Canadian National
Sportsmen’s Shows (CNSS), a not for profit organization
created by the visionary sportsman and conservationist,
Francis Kortright, along with other avid outdoors
enthusiasts to foster and promote an interest in outdoor
life and living across all age groups.

I would defiantly do a review, do one on google, and then when that is done I would email the link to him and tell him you tried to avoid doing this and gave him the benefit to make it right but he chose not to co operate.
That is pathetic and truthfully I am somewhat surprised as the people down there are usually some of the greatest people around. I do a bit of business in Nfld, and find the people to be great.

Not sure how you think the OFAH should be policing private businesses. This business isn’t even in the province. Clearly you got taken in which is not right but no point blaming others.

what a heartbreak. I don’t suppose you signed a contract, if you did there could be a legal recourse. All you can do is get the word out online and in social media and, perhaps shame them into giving you a refund.

Sounds like a half backwards operation. Word of mouth and maybe an online review if they have social Media. That’s about it. Too bad you had a crappy time.


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I'd try notifying their Chamber of Commerce as well as their tourism board. Not know if it would help but I think they might act on it...

Yup, What others have said, Tell these "guides" you are going to post on every online forum, Hunting page, social media platform how bad of experience you had and to warn others.

That sounds like a terrible trip, They should pay some back if they want to not have a bad reputation.

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Sorry to hear about the crappy time. Like most are saying a bad rep or word for a business travel's faster and further. Write a review the word will spread.
Hopefully if there is a trip for next year it will go better.

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That's a real bummer when you get ripped off by unscrupulous outfitters like that, specially when you have to fork out that kind of coin. I know I would be furious. First folks I would contact would be these guys at http://www.nloa.ca/. Apart from that I would be raising as much Cain as I possibly could like others have said.

Cheers

You handled yourself better than I would have. I would have called them out on their lies and BS and prolly would have left before the week was up I would never be paying up front the total cost of a hunt like that.

I have this sick feeling in my stomach now. We booked with this outfitter for the fall of 2020. Deposits have already been sent.

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I have this sick feeling in my stomach now. We booked with this outfitter for the fall of 2020. Deposits have already been sent.

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Ouch. I'd be worried after reading this post. You should ask the Outfitter for other references.

Same issue we had with Indian Point Camp in Dryden. They seem to cater for US customers with $USD. We saw a small buck the first time we went there and the US customers were shooting big bucks. The second time we went no bucks and seems like the site was used the week before we came. The place has new owners now I hope they are better to Canadians. Too bad I don’t have the cash anymore to use outfitters.

How many references did you guys call ??
go to their Facebook page and speak up

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I have this sick feeling in my stomach now. We booked with this outfitter for the fall of 2020. Deposits have already been sent.

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Again, if it was me in your position I would absolutely be proactive and first contact the outfitter requesting a refund of your deposit due to what was reported in the review posted here. If it's done early enough some outfitters are Ok with it. If they balk, which sounds likely, tell them you are going to contact the NLOA and then do it asap. Give them the link to this thread even and explain your situation. Hopefully they will take interest and contact the outfitter in an effort to find some resolution.
So I just went to their website and the total lack of any information at all "except contact" us immediately raised a giant flag for me.
Good luck

Not good.

Newfoundland moose is on my bucket list. I will be sure to research before I hand over my savings for a hunt...

Hey Magnumforce I really am sorry and surprised to hear about your experience with Sylt Lake Outfitters, I cannot comment on what you were promised, however I too met them at the Toronto Sportsman show last spring and hunted Moose this past September with them.

Honestly I do not normally express publicly my reviews, however felt I just had to this time. This is my first post so please bare with me.

Our party consisted of three hunters with two adult tags and there was another lone hunter in camp as well that week. We had an absolutely great time hunting out of the main camp! Angus, and the guides did everything they could to get us on Moose and even with tough weather we went out everyday. It was a tough hunt and we filled our two adult tags both with nice big mature animals and saw some great country.

The meals were absolutely fantastic everything made from scratch including bread, with no shortages packed lunches that never ended. Accommodations were clean and comfortable, and the overall family atmosphere of a smaller camp is what we really enjoyed.

I would, and plan to book back another Moose hunt with Sylt Lake Outfitters in the future.

I find today with the reach of social media a small business can have their name thrown around and drug through the mud very quickly and the damage can be detrimental which compelled me to post our hunting experience.

Again I cannot comment on your experience or any others, however am surprised. Sure I do agree there are a few things they can do better but I believe we all have the opportunity to improve. Having newer equipment would have been great, however the equipment that was in camp was made available to us whenever we wanted it and it worked when we needed it.

I am hopeful this post does not offend anyone, as I truly tried to make the post a reflection of our hunting parties experience. For others who may be considering this Outfitter like any other do you research ask around for references and I am hopeful they will also support my position on this outfitter.

Thank you

That's a terrible experience, sorry for your loss of good earned money
Thanks for the heads up

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Originally Posted by magnumforce

Meet the owners at the Sportman Show this year, booked a guided moose hunt, both father and son that run it said I would have a great time, it was a total disappointment, over promised and under delivered, worst hunting experience.
Promised that I would spent a couple of nights in a spiked camp, never happened, catered more to the repeat clients, where they got their moose at the spiked camp. Angus who is main guide hands me off to a second rate guide who rarely called, doesn't work a moose we saw 1/2 before legal leaves the area completely go to another area loaded with hunters (its like they never wanted me to get a moose save for clients for the following week), we blow a tire, and no spare tire, thank God a good Newfie came out and helped. I spent most of the day as a tire jockey for the guide, digging for spare tires back at his house, didn't pay $4250.00 to be a tire jockey.
Then the guide falls asleep on me in the woods, and breaks into old cottages to find out who owns them. I couldn't make this up it was like a gong show.
The outfitter equipment is junk, they run old Polaris ATV's had two failure in one day on two different ATV's, afternoon hunt spoiled.
I knew my chance of getting a moose were very slim when the other two hunters saw 5 bulls half way through the week, who the owner admitted to me on the way back to the airport that he put more effort into their hunt, but it was good to take my money.
I told Angus that I wanted a partial refund said he would talk to his father, never heard from him again when I got back home here in Ontario. Left multiple messages, no reply finally his father called me back, gave me some BS about making it right and would discuss with his son about a refund, and would get back to in a couple of days never did, about 10 days later I left multiple messages and no reply. Finally he answered and said he did everything right and no partial refund....place is a joke
I have been skunked before on hunts but it was a terrible experience and these owners are not trustworthy people.

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Since I am invested at this point, what actions did you take to correct your problems when you were there and how did they respond? What did you guide say when you questioned the lack of calling and moving prematurely?

Thanks in advance.

Wow , I can't believe how one post can distort the truth and everyone piles on like it is gosple ! I have never posted on social media in my life however must respond to this. During my 40 yrs + hunting i have likely hunted with a dozen or more outfitters. The only one I have return to after the first hunt is Sylt Lake Outfitters ( Angus and Brian Curlew ). These people are salt of the earth and the hardest working hosts I have ever dealt with. They know their area and work hard everyday to put you on a moose ... the rest is up to you. It is called hunting not killing for a reason , it is hard work and alot of slogging through bogs but this outfit is great to deal with . The food is awesome ( Amies cooking ) , the groups are small , usually only four hunters in camp, and hospilality can't be beat. Getting a moose is the bonus and their success rate is nearly 100%. If anyone wants a personal reference i would be happy to share my experience with you. reply to this and i will provide my cell number. Had my first moose sausage of the year last night , yumm ...can't wait to get back to Sylt Lake Outfitters !

Funny how there are single post users defending this outfitter. I have seen too many outfitters being unfair. Most of them keep the big game for themselves and give paying customers the leftovers. I saw one video of Dan from 'hunting the beast' mentioning outfitters will ask him to come to hunt 'big buck' for free and he will not do it as its unfair to paying customers.

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Funny how there are single post users defending this outfitter. I have seen too many outfitters being unfair. Most of them keep the big game for themselves and give paying customers the leftovers. I saw one video of Dan from 'hunting the beast' mentioning outfitters will ask him to come to hunt 'big buck' for free and he will not do it as its unfair to paying customers.

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Posts both positive and negative should make someone go..Hmmmmmmm?

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Funny how there are single post users defending this outfitter.

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One has to wonder about these one time posters that conveniently joined the site in the last few days and long after this thread started.

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One has to wonder about these one time posters that conveniently joined the site in the last few days and long after this thread started.

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Yep - smells like troll trying to do damage control.

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One has to wonder about these one time posters that conveniently joined the site in the last few days and long after this thread started.

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You nailed it. I don't think there's any doubt as to what their purpose is. I'll bet if you come right out and ask them how they happened to join just to post on this thread you will not get any response.

Cheers

MarcoD
Brett-M
How did you guys find out about this tread?

I think this thread as a whole is odd as hell. As I said, I have some skin in this game since we are booked with this outfitter in 2020.

The OP wrote some negative things about a bunch of incidences that happened during the trip that (at least if it was me) would have been corrected/dealt with immediately. Then its followed up with some very positive feedback from guys that are posting on the site for the first time. The outfitter hasn't put a post on Facebook since 2014, and their isn't hardly a single bit of info other than the website about them online.

I have been bear hunting with outfitters in Ontario now for almost 8 years in a row and one observation I have made is that peoples expectations of WAY WAY to high. I don't know if its TV shows that has caused this but my observation is that if clients aren't seeing animals, no matter how hard the guides work than they aren't happy.

I have talked things over with the group we are going with. We aren't going to try and get our deposits back. We will proceed with the hunt and I will be happy to update after our return in October 2020.

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I have been bear hunting with outfitters in Ontario now for almost 8 years in a row and one observation I have made is that peoples expectations of WAY WAY to high. I don't know if its TV shows that has caused this but my observation is that if clients aren't seeing animals, no matter how hard the guides work than they aren't happy.

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One very important part of these TV Shows, is that they are promoting the outfitters and people expect to see lots of game or they wouldn't bother booking with them.
There is a lot of editing done to make these shows , and it may take two weeks of filming and a lot of editing to show potential customers a lot of game inn that 20 minute segment on a 1/2 hour show.

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One very important part of these TV Shows, is that they are promoting the outfitters and people expect to see lots of game or they wouldn't bother booking with them.
There is a lot of editing done to make these shows , and it may take two weeks of filming and a lot of editing to show potential customers a lot of game inn that 20 minute segment on a 1/2 hour show.

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So True!!

People don’t take the time and do their proper research.
Toddy, i have a question for you...
Did you believe everything the Outfitters told you, or did you call for some references.
Just like you mentioned, no new posting on Facebook.
Did you ever do a search on the Outfitters?
What made you to book a hunt with this guy?

Thanks so much for the review OP. Sounds like a nightmare to me, to be avoided at all costs. I wish we saw more reviews like yours.

If I hand over hard earned $4,250 per person to an outfitter for a moose hunt you bet my expectations are going to be high! Certainly won't include a wish to be a tire jockey LOL!
$4,250 plus all the other expenses like getting there is a lot of money for normal everyday folk!

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People don’t take the time and do their proper research.
Toddy, i have a question for you...
Did you believe everything the Outfitters told you, or did you call for some references.
Just like you mentioned, no new posting on Facebook.
Did you ever do a search on the Outfitters?
What made you to book a hunt with this guy?

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Before we booked the 4 of us pretty much took that list of outfitters from the government website and divided it up and started making phone calls. We made a big spreadsheet with all the questions, costs etc. Our budget was between 4 and 6 grand Canadian. We eventually ended up with a short list of 5-6 that we wanted to book with. All of the outfitters on the short list had also given us, at our request a Canadian rate. Sylt Lake wasn't even on the list at that point. I will also add, after hours of research and viewing websites – Sylt lake’s website is just as bad as 2/3 of the outfitters in newfoundland that I looked at.
What became very apparent to me and pissed me off was how the majority of the outfitters wouldn't return phone calls or emails. To this day, of the 15-20 outfitters I contacted 10 of them never got back to me. If we waited more than two weeks for a response they were immediately off the list.
From our short list we had agreements on deposits, dates and prices with two outfitters only to have the outfitter go completely AWOL. It was so odd, it was like the outfitter was making a deal with they weren’t good with, so they avoided us. I don’t know, maybe it’s because one of our party members has mobility issues. At this point we were very frustrated. I almost felt since we were Canadian customers, they didn’t want to deal with us.
This all took place before we met Angus at Sylt lake. I personally haven't met the outfitter. My good friend (who is also going on the trip) met him at the Sportsman show last March. We were in contact with Angus on a constant basis the week of the Sportsman Show. He answered all our questions and sent us a whole pile of pictures of the accommodations etc as we had told him his website was shotty. Given what we were experiencing with our short list, and the general frustrations of booking in Newfoundland, we were excited about Sylt lake. We had an outfitter more than happy to cater to us and answer all our questions and he seemed far more generally interested in booking us more than any other outfitter we were dealing with. We felt pretty good about the place, and as such we booked.

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Before we booked the 4 of us pretty much took that list of outfitters from the government website and divided it up and started making phone calls. We made a big spreadsheet with all the questions, costs etc. Our budget was between 4 and 6 grand Canadian. We eventually ended up with a short list of 5-6 that we wanted to book with. All of the outfitters on the short list had also given us, at our request a Canadian rate. Sylt Lake wasn't even on the list at that point. I will also add, after hours of research and viewing websites – Sylt lake’s website is just as bad as 2/3 of the outfitters in newfoundland that I looked at.
What became very apparent to me and pissed me off was how the majority of the outfitters wouldn't return phone calls or emails. To this day, of the 15-20 outfitters I contacted 10 of them never got back to me. If we waited more than two weeks for a response they were immediately off the list.
From our short list we had agreements on deposits, dates and prices with two outfitters only to have the outfitter go completely AWOL. It was so odd, it was like the outfitter was making a deal with they weren’t good with, so they avoided us. I don’t know, maybe it’s because one of our party members has mobility issues. At this point we were very frustrated. I almost felt since we were Canadian customers, they didn’t want to deal with us.
This all took place before we met Angus at Sylt lake. I personally haven't met the outfitter. My good friend (who is also going on the trip) met him at the Sportsman show last March. We were in contact with Angus on a constant basis the week of the Sportsman Show. He answered all our questions and sent us a whole pile of pictures of the accommodations etc as we had told him his website was shotty. Given what we were experiencing with our short list, and the general frustrations of booking in Newfoundland, we were excited about Sylt lake. We had an outfitter more than happy to cater to us and answer all our questions and he seemed far more generally interested in booking us more than any other outfitter we were dealing with. We felt pretty good about the place, and as such we booked.

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Thanks for reply Toddy
I just look at there website and the first thing I see there is not one single reference
Did you guys call any references?
I hope you guys do good on the hunt
Good luck

you'll be fine , see my rebutal to this unfair review by one individual ... i have been there three hunts and can't wait for my next one. they are wonderful hard working people and will do whatever they can to put you on a moose . Contact me directly if you want more info

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Before we booked the 4 of us pretty much took that list of outfitters from the government website and divided it up and started making phone calls. We made a big spreadsheet with all the questions, costs etc. Our budget was between 4 and 6 grand Canadian. We eventually ended up with a short list of 5-6 that we wanted to book with. All of the outfitters on the short list had also given us, at our request a Canadian rate. Sylt Lake wasn't even on the list at that point. I will also add, after hours of research and viewing websites – Sylt lake’s website is just as bad as 2/3 of the outfitters in newfoundland that I looked at.
What became very apparent to me and pissed me off was how the majority of the outfitters wouldn't return phone calls or emails. To this day, of the 15-20 outfitters I contacted 10 of them never got back to me. If we waited more than two weeks for a response they were immediately off the list.
From our short list we had agreements on deposits, dates and prices with two outfitters only to have the outfitter go completely AWOL. It was so odd, it was like the outfitter was making a deal with they weren’t good with, so they avoided us. I don’t know, maybe it’s because one of our party members has mobility issues. At this point we were very frustrated. I almost felt since we were Canadian customers, they didn’t want to deal with us.
This all took place before we met Angus at Sylt lake. I personally haven't met the outfitter. My good friend (who is also going on the trip) met him at the Sportsman show last March. We were in contact with Angus on a constant basis the week of the Sportsman Show. He answered all our questions and sent us a whole pile of pictures of the accommodations etc as we had told him his website was shotty. Given what we were experiencing with our short list, and the general frustrations of booking in Newfoundland, we were excited about Sylt lake. We had an outfitter more than happy to cater to us and answer all our questions and he seemed far more generally interested in booking us more than any other outfitter we were dealing with. We felt pretty good about the place, and as such we booked.

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I’m experiencing the same thing with a few Saskatchewan WT outfitters. They seem to ignore you when they find out your Canadian. I will remember that when our Canadian dollar is par and they want/need our business then.

I found this from my hunting partner who hunted with me at Sylt Lake. I don't do social media and after reading the responses on here I know why I don't. I saw your post and it seems like you had as good a hunt as we did. Our hunts have always been awesome.

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I’m experiencing the same thing with a few Saskatchewan WT outfitters. They seem to ignore you when they find out your Canadian. I will remember that when our Canadian dollar is par and they want/need our business then.

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I don’t think it is about the money
You know that you don’t need an outfitter to hunt in Saskatchewan
if the outfitter will take you hunting in his area, you will learn the area and next year you going to be hunting without his help
That’s what is the problem not the money
And I’m not saying this because you going to be doing it
but there is lotta people doing it

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I don’t think it is about the money
You know that you don’t need an outfitter to hunt in Saskatchewan
if the outfitter will take you hunting in his area, you will learn the area and next year you going to be hunting without his help
That’s what is the problem not the money
And I’m not saying this because you going to be doing it
but there is lotta people doing it

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Your right, I know that.
The thing is, If I wanted to do that I wouldn’t even bother with them in the first place, I would just do it. I know my way around the bush, I do that for a living.
The comment about the money is when it’s par, many Americans don’t travel and the outfitters quickly get desperate for our business.
I tried explaining to some but the good ones have no problems filling their place with Americans.
Sad really, I can’t even pay the going rates to hunt in my country.

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Wow , I can't believe how one post can distort the truth and everyone piles on like it is gosple ! I have never posted on social media in my life however must respond to this. During my 40 yrs + hunting i have likely hunted with a dozen or more outfitters. The only one I have return to after the first hunt is Sylt Lake Outfitters ( Angus and Brian Curlew ). These people are salt of the earth and the hardest working hosts I have ever dealt with. They know their area and work hard everyday to put you on a moose ... the rest is up to you. It is called hunting not killing for a reason , it is hard work and alot of slogging through bogs but this outfit is great to deal with . The food is awesome ( Amies cooking ) , the groups are small , usually only four hunters in camp, and hospilality can't be beat. Getting a moose is the bonus and their success rate is nearly 100%. If anyone wants a personal reference i would be happy to share my experience with you. reply to this and i will provide my cell number. Had my first moose sausage of the year last night , yumm ...can't wait to get back to Sylt Lake Outfitters !

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You need to understand the OP has been a member of our community for 10 years or better.
His experience alone would deflect me from this outfitter. If you read his post it is clear that some hunters were given preferential treatment.

Why don’t you call this outfitter up and let them know if this thread and maybe take care of this fellow....

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I found this from my hunting partner who hunted with me at Sylt Lake. I don't do social media and after reading the responses on here I know why I don't. I saw your post and it seems like you had as good a hunt as we did. Our hunts have always been awesome.

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No need to bash the community.

Guy had a bad experience and pretty significant detail went into his explanation.

Honestly I found out about this thread as a result of giving the outfitter a good reference by another individual.

I was asked how my hunt went. I told him and the outfitter name and then that individual sent me this posting.

Again I only commented on my experience and hope to one day be able to go back. I can’t afford a yearly trip like that. Wish I could though.

Toddy, when you get there, Angus will ask you for the entire amount for the hunt, only give him 50%, and give the rest after the hunt if he promised to guide for you (and only himself, the other guide is useless barely called and falls a sleep on you) and if promised a couple of nights at the spiked camp.

To Brett M, I am not making this stuff up, I have pictures of the guide sleeping on me. If you promise something and you should deliver!
Angus promised a couple of nights at the spiked camps, but he took the repeat American hunters instead, and he promised that he would guide me personally, which never happened.

That is a lot of money to be dishing out with no moose and terrible experience. He may as well of robbed you at that point.

As ppl are saying on in this thread. I would of been doing a ton of research and looking at the reviews.

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That is a lot of money to be dishing out with no moose and terrible experience. He may as well of robbed you at that point.

As ppl are saying on in this thread. I would of been doing a ton of research and looking at the reviews.

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Getting a kill in on guided trip is never a guarantee. As for a terrible experience that is another thing.


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I feel the need to update this thread. My trip finally happened, but was bumped a year due to covid.

I do feel for the OP, however my experience wasn't negative at all. I was able to harvest a newfoundland giant on the first night, and my buddy got a cow (by choice) on the 3rd day. My buddies father isn't a mobile hunter so I signed on to his tag for the last 2 days to try and help him out. He was only able to hunt from the road so that made things a bit tough, however laws there permit shooting from the road and we almost got a cow for him but a logging truck buggered that up. Was just bad luck.

There were 4 hunters in camp and 3 tagged out. My buddy also shot a bear on the Thursday afternoon. I am sure my buddies dad could have been successful if he were more mobile. All of the guides I was with were fantastic and knowledgeable. Amy, the cook cooked everything from scratch and was absolutely amazing. Even though I averaged about 8 km a day of bog hopping my fat didn't lose any weight haha.

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Nice bull, that sounds like a great trip! Glad it went well despite the mixed reviews!

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Beautiful Bull, congrats.
Sounds like an amazing trip.
I’m jealous.:thumbup:

Congratulations, that bull has a nice rack!

Great animal, glad it worked out well for all of you.... Too bad about the one hunter not filling his tag, hopefully he enjoyed the adventure despite not pulling the trigger.