Coyote pelt regs.

Hello and Happy New year!
My first post on this forum (long time shooter, both handgun and rifle, brand new hunter.)

My question is what are we required to do with Coyote pelts?
Do the regulations require that I skin and sell/use the fur, or can the entire carcass be disposed of in the woods?

I'm asking because the regs seem to state that the meat of furbearing animals does not need to be harvested, but at the same time, the pelts cannot be destroyed.

(as a footnote I've gotten permission from some farmers to help control these predators on their land.)

If you're shooting predators as an agent for the farmer...you can leave them in the bush.

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Originally Posted by TheBusDriver

Hello and Happy New year!
My first post on this forum (long time shooter, both handgun and rifle, brand new hunter.)

My question is what are we required to do with Coyote pelts?
Do the regulations require that I skin and sell/use the fur, or can the entire carcass be disposed of in the woods?

I'm asking because the regs seem to state that the meat of furbearing animals does not need to be harvested, but at the same time, the pelts cannot be destroyed.
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(as a footnote I've gotten permission from some farmers to help control these predators on their land.)

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Yep,what MikePal said. Coyote hunting is exciting when matching wits with a wily predator. There's always the question about pelt usage. The FWCA Sect. 36(3) states pelts of fur bearing mammals may not be abandoned or allowed to spoil. However,if the pelts are not viable meaning in terrible condition where the value is negligible either because the animal is sick (Mange or possible Rabies,both readily apparent)or has severe injuries from fighting etc.,it's best to drag the carcass off well out of sight and let Mother Nature take her course. Several endemic diseases can be readily transferred to humans and our pets,so,it's wise to take care when handling carcasses. Use ropes for dragging and always wear gloves.
Oh,BTW,I see this is your first post. Welcome aboard.

See if there’s a trapping council anywhere around. You would probably find someone that would pay for your gas and time in exchange for the coyote if its not damaged to badly.



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If you are hunting, you can't allow the pelt to spoil. Hunting is doing things like running hounds or calling. This is how most folks kill coyotes.

If you are protecting property, you can allow the pelt to spoil. In order to be protecting property, you have to "believe on reasonable grounds that wildlife is damaging or is about to damage the person’s property" (Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, S.31). This means things like watching over a sheep pasture or chicken run.

If you folks think that an animal coming in to a screaming rabbit call is there to eat a horse or cow, I wish you well in court.

Just find a local trapper who wants the pelts and deliver the entire carcass to them. Call the local MNRF office and ask for contact info for the local Trapper's Council.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

If you folks think that an animal coming in to a screaming rabbit call is there to eat a horse or cow, I wish you well in court.

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Since shooting a coyote in the dark, which is when they usually attack livestock, is illegal it wouldn't be difficult to convince a judge that in order to remove them from the property during daylight hours requires lures.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

If you folks think that an animal coming in to a screaming rabbit call is there to eat a horse or cow, I wish you well in court.

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This doesn't make sense. Calling is an acceptable method. Why would anyone be going to court?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Since shooting a coyote in the dark, which is when they usually attack livestock, is illegal it wouldn't be difficult to convince a judge that in order to remove them from the property during daylight hours requires lures.

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Shooting in the dark isn't illegal for a landowner/farmer or their agent because that's not "hunting" as defined. That's pest/predator control in protection of livestock and as such is 100% legal.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Shooting in the dark isn't illegal for a landowner/farmer or their agent because that's not "hunting" as defined. That's pest/predator control in protection of livestock and as such is 100% legal.

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You beat me to it, you can shoot with night vision if you want, just better be able to prove it is protection of property and not hunting, sitting in the barn yard is probably good enough.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Shooting in the dark isn't illegal for a landowner/farmer or their agent because that's not "hunting" as defined. That's pest/predator control in protection of livestock and as such is 100% legal.

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I stand corrected ...

Thanks for all the input. I'm thinking of the licensed trapper route....Found a couple of websites for local trapper societies.

Cheers!

Anyone ever had ministry go ahead to "protect livestock"?

Living on a farm all my life and having calves/pets killed by coyotes not once have I ever had the go ahead from ministry, OFA, County or any other assoc. I hunt at big sheep farms too that have sheep killed by coyotes. Farmer might get compensation threw insurance eventually, But neither him or I would get anything from killing a coyote over the deadstock.


I have shot coyotes on farms over dead stock, Called about compensation and they ask if I can prove THIS coyote killed THIS calf. They will want the coyote for testing. Just a bunch of run around so they dont have to pay out.

And I would like to see ANY CO give you the go ahead to let pelts spoil. I know any CO I have seen when I'm coyote hunting always tells me I better be making use of the pelt.

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The livestock insurance claims are run through your township/municipality. Have put in numerous claims through out the years and they have always been honoured. Usually a township/municipal employee who does the investigation. They show up, look at the remains take some pictures. I usually give them a copy of a old receipt of the livestock in question. IE had a turkey killed by coyotes, gave him a receipt for what I sell my turkeys for and a month later had a check for the loss of my turkey.

As far as I know they will never cover the cost of you hiring an “Agent” to remove wildlife. I have been an “Agent” numerous times and always stress that I need to remove the animal at the scene of the crime so to speak.

For example if I shoot two coyotes in the summer that have been coming into a farmyard during calving season, the pelts have no value and dump them. If I shoot a bear that is coming in during the same time, you can bet I have pictures of it on more then one occasion, with written statements by the landowners showing damage done and I contact the ministry to discuss the situation before acting on the landowners behalf.

I have never run into a problem. I have had to turn over animals to the ministry over the years, which is fine. Sometimes they want it for testing. Sometimes they don’t say but want to make sure I do not have it or the landowner does not.

Song dog is correct that not once has the ministry offered to remove an animal that was causing issues. Maybe they would act if there was a rabid fox etc. But for farmers losing stock it’s usually the old 12 gauge and the manure pile.


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Originally Posted by trimmer21

This doesn't make sense. Calling is an acceptable method. Why would anyone be going to court?

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For allowing the pelt of a furbearing mammal to spoil. You can only allow the pelt to spoil if you are protecting your property from wildlife that "is damaging or is about to damage" it. A coyote running in looking for a screaming rabbit is not there to damage your property.

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Originally Posted by SongDog

Anyone ever had ministry go ahead to "protect livestock"?

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I've never had an MNR official tell me that it is okay to protect my livestock.

I've also never had an MTO official tell me that it is okay for me to drive to work. The law says I can do it, so I do.

If they think I'm breaking the law it is their job to prove it in court. Some folks think that you could prove that calling in animals is protecting livestock. Many at the MNRF disagree. The actual decision on whether a law has been broken is made by a Justice of the Peace.

[QUOTE=benjhind;1101842]For allowing the pelt of a furbearing mammal to spoil. You can only allow the pelt to spoil if you are protecting your property from wildlife that "is damaging or is about to damage" it. A coyote running in looking for a screaming rabbit is not there to damage your property.



I've never had an MNR official tell me that it is okay to protect my livestock.

I've also never had an MTO official tell me that it is okay for me to drive to work. The law says I can do it, so I do.

If they think I'm breaking the law it is their job to prove it in court. Some folks think that you could prove that calling in animals is protecting livestock. Many at the MNRF disagree. The actual decision on whether a law has been broken is made by a Justice of the Peace.[

As a yote hunter or acting agent at what point does a predator become wildlife " that is damaging or about to damage" property? And how would I know that. This reminds me of giving our yotes to a trapper that said " just bring me the yotes that are worth more $100.
I should add the reason I am asking we were asked by a horse farmer to shoot yotes that were eating his cats. We set up a caller within a 100 yards of the barn and sat next to the barn. Ist time out we shot 2 yotes and next time shot 2 out of 3 using a screaming rabbit call?

I'd call that hunting, but have a chat with your local CO about their interpretation.

A bear ripping into your beehives, a coyote chasing your dog, a coon in your chicken coop... these are all examples of wildlife that is damaging or about to damage your property.

Just because a species eats meat doesn't give you carte blanche to wipe them off the face of the province.

Think about the bears and bees example. Imagine if every beekeeper killed a couple dozen bears a year and let them rot in the bush. Or if every trapper harvested way over their quota of fisher or lynx because one time their cat disappeared.

Again, I'm not your CO. Their interpretation is more important than mine.

U should watch a you tube clip where a yote in a Ohio cemetery is watching a older women walking her dog on the sidewalk and see the yote stalking her.

The cat eating was not a one time event, the yotes were coming into the yard daily. He could give us the time of the day. He lost more than one cat and still losing cats. Have you ever hunted yotes, not by calling but pushing on foot to actually see how they behave and have changed. I hope you or any other hunter would not be hunting in a barnyard.

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Originally Posted by benjhind

Think about the bears and bees example. Imagine if every beekeeper killed a couple dozen bears a year and let them rot in the bush.

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Couple dozen bear HaHa...a least try to be realistic.

With over $500 invested in equipment and potential of $500 to $1000+ worth of honey...the loss to a bear attack is substantial. So yes nuisance bears are considered fair game.


Should add..my wife is a beekeeper and is a member of the Eastern Ontario Beekeepers Association (large group). While some have loses to bears , never heard of any having killed a bear. Doesn't happen often.

and if it happens here...it will find it's afterlife in my freezer. :)

I have been hunting yotes in our area since the 1970 when they first showed up. Back than we had jackrabbits and foxes. No yotes. We have yet to be denied land to hunt yotes and this includes houses in the country. You will never kill all the yotes and I hate to admit it our group and every other yote hunter in our area is not doing a good job.

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Originally Posted by tracker

You will never kill all the yotes and I hate to admit it our group and every other yote hunter in our area is not doing a good job.

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The vast majority of yotes I've shot were in the barnyard...shot while I was in my slippers from the front porch or back deck. I've only shot a couple while out hunting over the past years and for all the track I've seen, you'd think you'd see more of them while in a stand hunting. They are very elusive.

The only real successfull groups around here use dogs and run them.

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Originally Posted by tracker

U should watch a you tube clip where a yote in a Ohio cemetery is watching a older women walking her dog on the sidewalk and see the yote stalking her.

The cat eating was not a one time event, the yotes were coming into the yard daily. He could give us the time of the day. He lost more than one cat and still losing cats. Have you ever hunted yotes, not by calling but pushing on foot to actually see how they behave and have changed. I hope you or any other hunter would not be hunting in a barnyard.

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I'm not sure what an old lady in a graveyard has to do with protecting property. Unless you happen to own a bunch of old ladies?

Why shouldn't I hunt in a barnyard? I have hunted many. All my best pigeon hunts have been in barnyards. I used to get the odd rabbit in the long grass in front of my dad's barn when I was a kid.

Hound guys knock back quite a few coyotes but the guys that push bush know how to stack em too!! Eh tracker lol Hope you guys are still at it

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