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Looking at getting a new rifle. Was set on a tikka T3 then started looking at a Howa. Anyone have any experience with a Howa.
Looking at a 6.5 cm
Originally was looking at a kimber but tougher to get in canada and costly.
The model of Howa that I was looking at is the Howa Kuiu in the 6.5
Thanks for any experiences or input in advance
You probably can't go wrong with either. I've never handled a Howa but they are fairly well reviewed. See if you can handle both in a gun shop and decide based on which one fits you better.
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Yes that is what I want to do. Have held the tikka that I would like and i would have no regrets with it but the howa intrigues me and cant seem to locate one to get my hands on.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Have held the kimber and it is also beautiful. Just curious about peoples experiences with Howa. U can read what you want on a google search. But curious if anyone has one and what there experience is.
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The above are Howa Dealers listed on google.
Looking at the 6.5 creedmore because I would like to have a long range flat shooting gun with extremely little recoil. The 6.5 will accomplish this. Yes a 7mm wsm or 270 wsm will shooter a bit flatter and pack more punch but looking for a light gun that when shooting will be easy on me and other family members who will utilize it. Looking to shoot out to 400 yrds and feel this is the calibre that will do what i need. Looking to take this gun west hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
270 has been around for ever. Doesn't make it the best choice. Change is inevitable and if you really dig into the 6.5 ballistics might make rethink it.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Other than wolves or coyotes I have never shot at big game over 100 yards. Never had a need to. Very aware of how different shooting on a range vs hunting is. Not new to this. May surprise you what one of the most popular calibers out west is right now. Not the 270, all tho it is a great calibre.
When I mentioned west I meant west (ie west of ontario plains country flat, the expectation of shooting distance.) So in anticipation of drawing a tag there this year I am going with what I feel is the best equipment for me.
Just trying to search out what peoples experiences have been with the Howa.
Wish I was more help but I too have not had a chance to get hands on with a Howa. I am certainly intrigued by giving a Howa a shot though, no pun intended.
Good choice on caliber by the way.
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The 270 has been around forever and is still ever so popular because of how good it works. They are very popular in the west, don't kid yourself. You say you want to shoot 400yds yet you've never shot at game past 100yds. 400yds is not always as easy as some think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
For starters I have not shot big game past 100 but in a hunting scenario I have shot wolves and totes out to 300. Very comfortable shooting. I am not saying the 270 is bad. Folks need to get there head out of the sand. I chose a calibre that meets my personal needs. If you look at all the variables it suits my needs. And it is the up and coming calibre and extremely popular through wyoming and other areas.
I didnt come here to bash calibers I came here to ask about the Howa and peoples experience with them.
So anyways, shoot what u like and if it works for you all the better. They always say confidence is a huge part of the game and if you are comfortable and confident with something you are probably off to the races.
Anyways as to the start of this thread HOWA anyone.
Oh and what ever your shooting may it fly fast and hit hard.
If I'm not mistaken I think the Howa action is used in the weatherby vanguards, but I could be wrong. Never own one, but I have owned Tikka and they are good rifles
I appreciate that info. I was clueless to that fact and after a phone call I have been informed, you are not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I love the way my Weatherby shoots but she's a tank to carry all day.
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Howa 1500 is a weatherby vanguard for the most part. They both shoot well. I think they only come with hinge floorplate but you can buy a DM kit.
Any weatherby I've ever owned shot great. No issues.
They are heavier than a T3x. I'd buy the Tikka over the Howa but I dont think you can go wrong either way.
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Thank you folks for your insight.
That is the one thing I have noticed with all the specs similar to the weatherby. They seem to be a tank to carry.
I have had the t3 in hand and love the feel and fit so the next cabelas sale it probably will happen.
Another thing to look into is if your going to be reloading. Barrel length and twist rate, Not sure what differences in the Howa or Tikka but this could impact your decision. Something to look into.
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I will just be shooting factory.
Have you looked much at store shelves to see how available factory ammo is for that cartridge? Being newish you may not have many options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
[QUOTE=Buckshot517;1104471]Looking at the 6.5 creedmore - shooter a bit flatter and pack more punch but looking for a light gun that when shooting will be easy on me .
I handled Howa-a while ago,before the Vanguard came out,so not sure to compare the two.It was a nice gun to handle,with good fit.Never shot it though.
My friend used it and was happy with it.He was shooting 30-06.
Mind you to ask- what you will be hunting with it, at 400 yards?
[QUOTE=gbk;1104531]Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
AntelopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
And for above, there is a wide selection of factory and no real shortage
[QUOTE=Buckshot517;1104545]Agreed, due to the near perfect marketing scheme the CM is widely available and has become extremely popular. I think you would have a harder time finding a decent retailer that doesn't carry CM ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
It is a great round that will take anything out there without blowing the living snot out of it. I'm not a fan by any means because of the marketing but if forced to choose between the CM and the caliber pushed above I would take the CM.
Now if you threw a .260 or 7mm08 in as options.......
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[QUOTE=oaknut;1104547]The .264 bullet is so ridiculously efficient it is crazy. The 6.5x55mm with a long throat shooting 156 and 160gr bullets is still used all the time for Scandinavian moose, now they have the SE version which is the same cartridge but a little hotter for modern actions. That 6.5 CM is essentially the same round, as the 260 and 6.5x55, in a short action like the 260. I do not know where this cartridge is going to go, it may hold strong, it may die, but centerfire rounds can be reloaded, so if you can hold on to a stash of brass you should have no issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
I purchased a Weathetby Vanguard V2 in 6.5x55 3 years ago.
In case you didnt know, the Vanguard is a Howa manufactured under Weatherbys name
It is by far the most accurate masd produced rifle i have ever owned or shot. I do handload, which definately enhances acuuracy, but ill let the photo do the talking
6.5x55 Swede, 2700-2715fps at muzzle, 5 shot group at 100yds
Ok.. Update
Why do i kerp getting an "upload failed" message when i try to load photos?
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Unrelated to the OP - but the 270 thumps the shoulder harder than a 308 and as hard as the 30-06. Its even worse in the light Tikka's.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
seems the original post has diverted a bit so here is a summary of a comparison article between the 270 and 6.5. important part is the last line.
It’s Time To Make The Decision!
Whether you lean to taking the risk of deflecting the wind or bullet dropping, you can enjoy the excellent performance and flexibility of these two cartridges.
In terms of energy, speed, and drop, there is hardly anything that can beat 270 Winchester in this field.
However, when it comes to wind deflection, recoil, velocity, and compact sizes of rifles for shorter actions, 6.5 Creedmoor is the king.
If you have already owned an accurate and remarkable 270, there is no need to rush out and get it replaced by a Creedmoor. All you need to do is to find high B.C bullets to shoot through.
On the other hand, if you are looking for an upgrade version of the 270 with lower recoil, hesitate no more and go for 6.5.
6.5 Creedmoor vs. 270 - which is the winner? They both are!
I love the 6.5 bullet, my load based on the published BC will only lose about 650fps over 500 yards, spectacular :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
Would I want to hunt a big moose with it, maybe not. I can tell you that hitting a groundhog at less than 5 yards with a 6.5 bullet at 2500fps makes a mess, ha ha.
Don't buy into everything you read. Look at ballistics of both cartridges, the 6.5 is far from an upgrade of the 270..lol. Seems the 6.5cm is pretty much a re branded 260 remington...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
Depends on what you want, they are very similar and very close with the 270 winning on a few things and the 6.5 CM winning on a few others. Recoil is one thing the 270 has a lot more of, that matters to a lot of shooters and depending on the game hunted the additional energy may not be necessary but the greater wind drift of the 270 may.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Here is a comparison but a gun writer.
https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6...70-winchester/
Recoil of a 270 is low, sure the 6.5 is lower because it's a lower velocity cartridge. That's about all it beats it in. Would like to see this same article vs the 270 using a fast 150g sst or high bc bullit. Not bashing it at all, but I don't see anything great about it, that would make me choose it over a 260 rem or swede6.5
Would it be much less powder than a .260rem if your reloading? I dont really see much a gain either.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I do know all this talk of this has me really interested in a 6.55x55 swed.
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The recoil of the 270 is about that of a 30-06, which to many shooters is the max they can shoot properly without developing a flinch.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The recoil of the 260 Rem, which will be about the same as the 6.5CM is significantly lower than a 308 win and 270.
I don't know why you are calling the 6.5CM a low velocity cartridge, the 270 Win shoots a 145gr bullet at 2970fps and the 6.5CM a 143gr bullet at 2700fps, not really that different, the 6.5CM is not a low velocity round.
https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
Powder looks about equal or a couple grain dif.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
I just said it's a lower velocity round than a 270. Nothing wrong with it at all, but nothing great either. It's moreless just a shadow of a 260 rem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Yep, which is just a slightly faster 6.5x55mm Swedish. The key part here is that the bullet is bloody efficient, more so than the 7mm and the .277 bullet, hence why it is becoming so significant in long range shooting. The 260 Rem was just not pushed like the 6.5 CM is.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The really crazy part is that there are very few .277 bullet cartridges, there have been tons of 6.5mm (.264) cartridges around when you look back at military history, for some reason it was chosen by a lot of armies since the late 1800s, it is a proven winner. The problem with the 6.5 is that it is metric and Americans cannot accept metric. It is honestly surprising that the 6.5CM is becoming so big but the marketing on it is huge.
No, you probably cannot get the 6.5CM right now in your corner store but you also probably cannot get the Barnes TSX 270 Win or Hornady Superformance in the corner store either. I never get how people talk about buying the ammo locally, there are so many manufacturers and bullet weights now that you cannot just go buy a box of yours anywhere anymore. Put the ammo in the hard case with the rifle and don't lost your rifle, ha ha ha.
Both are long range killers for sure.
But anywhere that sells ammo, you will find the time tested rifle cartridges like 223,22-250, 243, 270, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 7mm mag, 300mag. To boot they all have a wide variety of factory offerings that cover pretty much all hunters needs. If your not a reloader a cartridge that's widely available and prices lower than the oddballs may be something to take into consideration when choosing a rifle.
Interesting conversation,alas about half of it is not to the OPs original question.
270 vs 6.5 Creedmore or perhaps 260 or 6.5 swede.......
Seems if you own one,or dislike the other one-there are myriad or reasons to talk the one up-or the other down.
Kind of like discussing Chevy vs Ford.......good pastime in the dead season.
So-if you are not in the market of a new gun,keep what you have.Will do the job.If you are in a market or can afford another of these Cal-go for it,have fun ,and keep us posted.
It's as close of a comparison as one can get, the 260 will best the CM by about 50fps with factory loads and hand loaders can do far better with a 260 in terms of trajectory. It was truly brilliant advertising that brought the CM to where it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Then for those who really want to reach out and touch something.....
https://weatherby.com/ammunition/6-5-wby-rpm/
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That's indeed what got it to where it is. What it will ever amount to will wait and see. The wssm, wsm, rsaum, rcm, rum, have for the most part fizzled outQuote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
264 Win Mag is up there too, but any of these super fast narrow bullet cartridge guns are known to be barrel burners.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
The 260 failed and the 6.5CM may in the end fail but the marketing right now and the availability of rifles is insane, the entire industry is pushing the 6.5CM, hard to fail when everyone with money in the game is pushing it.
At this moment the ammunition offerings from Cabelas.
6.5 CM - 12
270 Win - 27
30-06 - 40
30-30 - 13
260 Rem - 0
243 Win - 22
308 Win - 37
I think the CM is doing ok, at this point in time ammunition is not going to be an issue, 5 years maybe, 10 years we shall see but at the moment this thing is like the original iPhone.
agreed on the recoil. Its pretty much identical to the 30-06 for recoil. I swear people that say the 270 has little recoil have never shot them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Always humoured when watching an American video and they get confused over the "mm" when reading a caliber. its a 7 "MM" - as appose to a 7 millimeter. Clueless lol.
The reason them made the 280 Remington and not the 7mm-06, surprised they called it the 7mm-08.Quote:
Originally Posted by toddy
My girlfriend never shot a gun until she met me. First gun she shot was a 270 and had no issues at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by toddy
Does not mean it does not kick like a mule.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I work with a girl who came out shooting with us, she wanted to feel some recoil. I set her up on the bench with a 1915 M95 Steyr straight pull bolt carbine. That thing fires the 8x56R round, 205gr bullet at 2500fps, the rifle has no recoil pad and weighs around 7lbs, she kicks like a mule, this girl took it in stride. I also know very large men who flinch at a 12ga target load, ha ha ha.
Funny enough, it is believed that the reason the 280 was never won the popularity contest given its advantage over the 270 was due to the constant name changes. The 280 was called the 7mm rem express as well as 7mm06 which I'm sure caused a lot of confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Now the 7mm08, that will be my next purchase, might even put the 94-22M up to offset the cost.
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The 270 recoil is pretty much on par with the mild recoil of 308, which most anyone can comfortably shoot
https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocityQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
.260 Rem. (140 at 2750) 8.25 11.9 9.7
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
The 6.5CM will be close to the 260, the numbers right here show that the 270 is on par with the 30-06.
The recoil velocity is up just a little but all in, you are correct. Given the performance of a 270 the recoil is pretty light.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Take the recoil energy of my 257 Wby mag, it's less than that of the 270 launching heavier bullets but I can guarantee you will not say it's a lighter recoiling gun. The thing weighs 10lbs and it still makes you think about how many rounds you wish to toss down range at paper. The recoil velocity being 50% more than the 270 is what makes the difference.
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244 Rem vs 6mm RemQuote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
280 Rem vs 7mm Rem Express
They have done that a couple times eh.
I like the 7mm-08, have it in my head for my wife's next rifle as they make a number of short LOP rifles in that caliber and the recoil is not that much more than the 30-30 she is comfortable with now, and this would have a recoil pad while her current one does not.
Fox take a look at 308 165g, they are on par with 270.
Oaknut, yes the weight of a rifle will definitely differ the amount of felt recoil
The 270 kicks with enough authority to not be considered a light recoiling rifle, end of story. That does not mean you cannot like the rifle, that does not mean that the rifle's recoil is not something that you can manage but face it, the 270 has a significant enough recoil for some to avoid it due to that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
In regards to recoil...I know when shooting .303 Brit there is a huge difference between the 180 gr and the 150 gr if you'r out shooting for an afternoon.
Has anyone enough experience with the various bullets available in . 270 to note the recoil differences...: ie: between say the 90gr vs 140 gr or the 130 gr vs 150 gr etc.. ?
I would think that 90gr .270 on a bipod would make a great varmint set-up.
Or is it a case once you're pushing a bullet past 3,200 ft/sec...they all hurt HaHa...
I have not noticed a whole lot of difference with my 270, but I don't shoot anything lighter then 130g.
My 300wm was tame with 150g but there was more felt recoil with 180g loads. Did not matter what load I put through my 338wm, it had a decent amount of recoil.
That's a list that can be debated to the end of time. It is far from a canadian list as one of those cartridges has not even crossed the border yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
I would love to try out a 338 Federal in a short lever gun or a nice semi.
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That list is pretty funny, look at how many are almost dead already, the 270 WSM is not chambered in much and the 26 Nosler? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
I saw the 26 on there and couldn't help but wonder how much of a donation was made for that advert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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To the OP, buy a 6.5 Swede in a T3. It’s fun to argue and spit hairs but the Swede will never be dropped and it punches way above its weight class with mild recoil.
Just read it. Just another gun writer needing to pay the rent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Would like to see that same list 30 years from now, but I prolly wont be around just like some of those cartridges...lol
I have a Howa 1500 in 308 and it shoots very well.The only issue is that it is too heavy to carry all day but it is a great gun on the stand.
I have a 30-06 rifle which is 7.9 lbs.Bare gun.With scope,rings and some ammo -never weighted it,but it is heavy .
Nice gun,many times contemplated to" trade it " to a lighter model.
Then a guy advised me to try Butler Creek Comfort Stretch firearm sling.
I would highly recommend to anyone-it makes a world of a difference-the gun feels a WHOLE lot lighter on my shoulder.
Only handled a Howa in a store and it didn’t feel good for me.
Love my Tikka’s and Sako’s A7. Perfect for me.
I did buy a Kimber Hunter and need to shoot it a bit more, so far I like it. Really light and handy.
What calibre is the kimber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter
The kimber hunter is a gun that interests me. Lots of great reviews.
.308Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckshot517
Got a great deal at Ramakos in Sudbury, was on special for $1000.00
Its a nice little rifle, the trigger even feels nicer than my Sako's / Tikka if that possible.
Its a bit on the small side but I can live with that. Makes me think of fit of Rem Model Seven.
Might not fit a big guy with long arms.
Just got it before the winter, installed a Bushnell 3500 2x7 and sighted it in.
Need to find what it likes this spring.
Nice detachable magazine on it.
Just held the howa & T3 in my hands about an hour ago. Both great options but the feel of the T3 in a gorgeous grey wood grain was noticeably better. Sleek, light, looks...mind you the Howa came with a mounted good quality scope & has the hogue stock (apparently very good quality). Both 3 MOA guns. Matter of whether you want to spend double. $765 howa with scope, $1499 without on the T3. If money was no issue i.d own the T3 (i walked away to ponder the very dilemma). Unfortunately have never shot either so no field experience to note. In fact, i had no knowledge of the Howa name prior to today. Good luck in the search
Have no experience with Howa (heard good things about them though) however never had a Tikka don't shoot with the right ammo.
Unless you have to have wooden stock otherwise T3X with synthetic stock can be had for not much more than a Howa.
Both are good.
I prefer T3.
And to song dog - buy a 6.5x55
Really liked mine.
6.5 CM is a nice round but I prefer the SE 6.5x55 and I drove mine pretty hard with no pressure signs.
I own an older Tikka Whitetail Hunter and it's the smoothest bolt I've ever owned. The T3 seems as good. I have no experience with Howa but am seriously considering one of their mini-actions in .223 Remington. If there's one knock on the T3 is that it only comes in one action length in a short cartridge like the 6.5 Grendel or .223 the Tikka leaves a lot of extra real estate to carry around.