The boys over at Fish'n Canada have started a petition on their site to suspend fishing activities during the quarantine.
https://fishncanada.com/news/say-no-to-fishing/
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The boys over at Fish'n Canada have started a petition on their site to suspend fishing activities during the quarantine.
https://fishncanada.com/news/say-no-to-fishing/
Well this man says, open up the boat ramps...... Everyone has an opinion.... Mine is just as good.
If you take the time to read it , he makes some very astute observations, and he asks some pertinent questions that should be answered. Whether you agree or not, is up to you.
I'm sure that'll make them popular. Wisely, they've set up the petition in such a fashion that any negative comments won't be accepted because you have to sign the darn thing agreeing to the closures.
Down the road these clowns are going to be hurt big time.
I think many more fisherpeople agree with his point of view, than the nay sayers think.
Points like fishermen are “whining, snivelling brats “!!!!...Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Yep.....stay out of politics and stick to fishing !!
If you go on the Fishing Ontario site, many on there, are just that. For the record he did not say fishermen are....., he said .......'so some whining sniveling brat'.
Depends on the following they have how it will affect them or their sponsors down the road...
Nope,don't think so. I read most of the posts after Angelo posted that thing and he was getting roasted almost 100% to the point where he took it down. Sawbill is absolutely correct. Fishin' Canada is in for a world of hurt over that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Why, because people who disagree with a post are more likely to reply, than those who agree with the post. That fact has been proven over and over. And an angry fisherperson, watch out.
Saw this a few nights ago.
I guess with all the social distancing rules if it gets bad we will hear about it. I'm sure there will be an officer near by issuing thousand dollar tickets if they no dont follow the rules.
Always going to have someone complain lol.
Nothing wrong keeping the season open if the rules are being followed.
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Nope to FM! People are just getting fed up with being told what to do and how to run their lives. Its enough to hear it from the gov't day in and day out but to start hearing it from peers is getting a bit much. Bottom line is if someone has to be told something day in and day out, they're not going to listen anyway. For the rest of us, I'm adult enough or knowledgeable enough to know how to live day to day w/o hindering or harming someone else while this virus is around.
All of his so called "points" are directed at less than 10% of Ontario's land mass. GTA, Niagara etc.
I agree they are probably going to take a kicking over this as it seems poorly thought out. Yes, some points were valid for the river systems but other than that, not so much.
Really he's probably more pouty than normal because he can't get his sniveling, groveling arse into some fancy lodge to get waited on hand and foot.
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Ang can go f@ck himself, and I will tell him that to his face at the next trade show he appears. Just because he can’t get out because he lives in GTA he doesn’t want anyone else to catch “his” fish. It’s virtue signally at its worst Here is a newsflash...97% of the lakes and boat launches in the province aren’t within 200km of Toronto and local people can safely fish without coming within 600ft of another person let alone 6ft.
Exactly, good thing the minister is from a rural area, at least rural Ontario gets a second thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJZ
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Agree 100%. Not everyone hops on a 20ft bass boat with 5 camera guys to go fishing. To close fishing 100% in the province would be dumb IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by JJZ
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Took what down ? Looks like the petition is still up...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Talked to my chum last night, we're making plans for our annual spring "ice out" speck trip. I reminded him to bring his own net, since he is the "net boy". No worries about me having to handle his net, and unlike some guys from the capreol area, he stays in his own seat?:moose:
Nice good luck [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
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It used to be GW and his woodpile getting roasted. You have to go and bring this up?
Oh did I miss something? :)
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Originally Posted by sawbill
Go ahead if you can do it safely says the ofah .
Not sure why others have so many issues about if you follow the rules.. plain and simple if you dont feel comfortable fishing then dont if you cant do it safely then dont. If you want to fish or hunt go for it.
Please dont travel and stay near your community Have fun . If you want to stay in your place then all means stay in your house . If you do go out please respect the new social distancing rules.
https://www.orangeville.com/news-sto...irus-pandemic/
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Just trying to put a little levity on a tough situation. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Yep,it's up on their Facebook page with almost 400 comments which mostly appear to be negative (although I haven't read all of them). No doubt,it's going to leave a mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
And rightfully so !! I would hope they get some blowback from their sponsors.....talk about shooting yourself in the foot !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Did not get thru all of the article, but since 99% or more of fishmen(persons) in ontario don't fish for carp, I am sure I will not have to worry about keeping 2 meter from the rest.
I think this kind of thinking almost exclusively applies to the GTA and a handful of other densely populated areas. Its absolute garbage to think you should apply the same rules to the rest of our enormous and beautiful province...
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There are several on here that truly believe you need to abide by the rules they feel are right even above the government. There are a few who believe only their ethics should be followed and everyone else is wrong.
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Originally Posted by nick613
Holier-than-thou sanctimony exists everywhere there's people who chronically nit-pick and "tsk-tsk" at every little perceived slight or minor infraction and are quite quick to condemn. People like that are like diapers.....always on your a** and usually full of the same stuff. Just ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
what a horrible petition - If i was someone who retired and moved up north and lived year round somewhere up in sudbury on the water and was unable to fish I would think thats pretty unreasonable. How about you treat me like the adult like I am and let me decide if I am safe or not, I dont need this lousy petiton.
On the flipside, if I am in a boat jigging for pickerel on the detroit river and have 3 friends in the boat with me then triple the fines and throw the book at me...
I like that !! :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Great statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Triple zero is still zero.
Four friends in a boat is breaking no law. Going against recommendations yes, but not against the law currently.
I don't think you should be making a blank statement like that..The province is under the Emergency Measures act which gives all sorts of powers to the OPP to enforce new rules...Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
Like the OPP have stated, boating is not considered 'essential' travel and could very well get you a steep fine under the act.
March 17, 2020 9:13 A.M.
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Office of the Premier
TORONTO - Today, the Government of Ontario announced that it is taking decisive action by making an order declaring an emergency under s 7.0.1 (1) the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act. In doing so, Ontario is using every power possible to continue to protect the health and safety of all individuals and families.
Trying to be as neutral as possible here (and full disclaimer, I enjoy fishing rainbow on the rivers ... there's only a small window of opportunity for that ... basically until end May at best). Anyhow ... is it okay to walk the dog, but not go fishing, if you practice social distancing? Likewise, is it okay to go for a jog? What about singing the national anthem with people on your street ... again practicing social distancing?
Why is fishing being called out, yet all these other things are still "okay" ... in fact, celebrated by the news?
What about the Toronto "parade" that happened yesterday, that the Mayor attended, and came within 1ft of nurses during a photo op (he quickly corrected himself)? That was seen in a positive light by the news.
I think it's a tad hypocritical ... if we are going to stop fishing opening, then we better stop a lot of other things happening right now that are basically on par! There's nothing like prejudicing one group, telling them to lock themselves inside their homes, while others are freely going out walking dogs, jogging, even participating in parades ...
The Province has said, thru a News release from the MNRF, that Hunting and fishing seasons are NOT...NOT canceled.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Municipalities have closed boat launches.. and the OPP have said boating is not 'essential' travel...So if you can find a place to fish while maintaining social distance ...Yes it's perfectly (legally) OK.
OPP can only enforce the laws in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
There are no laws about social distancing for groups of 4 or less.
And currently there is also no provincial laws prohibiting traveling.
Lots of recommendations but no laws for the OPP to act on for these 2 things.
Save me some typing....read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
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Between the federal Quarantine Act and Ontario's state of emergency, members of the public could face serious penalties for breaking certain rules.
You could face fines — or even jail time — under some of the measures put in place to fight COVID-19.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/winds...ures-1.5512439
So that doesn't state either thing we are talking about is against the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Can you give a government source showing there is a law prohibiting groups of less than 4 are required to social distance under the law.
Social distancing law applies to groups of 5 or more. And your link stated the same.
Also no legal order has been issued about provincial travel.
BTW: the Quarantine Act only applies to people under an official quarantine order.
I wasn't arguing that, I was dispelling the myth you were perpetrating that the OPP can only enforce the laws that are on the book..Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
They can enforce any rules they deem applicable under the emergency measures act. If the OPP tells you that your contravening a rule (non-essential travel) and you fail to stop doing it, you can be fined or jailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
That's exactly what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Police do not enforce rules only laws.
They can only legally enforce any law that is enacted under the law.
Police do not make laws but enforce the ones legally enacted.
There is no current law regarding un-essential travel issued by the province.
The “law” is the EMA.... the offences are failing to obey an “Order” made pursuant to the EMA. The EMA authorizes government to make such Orders as deemed necessary......Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
Presently, there are no Orders, dealing with social distancing, or nonessential travel. There is an Order preventing gatherings of more than 5 people.
I have heard some horror stories of bogus charges being laid, due to misinformation by LEOs or lack of understanding of the Act.
I hope people go to court to straighten these out !!
rick_iles that has been my point all along.:thumbup:
WE keep hearing rumors of tickets being issued,but,when you ask for the details,people can't give particulars. That makes me think that there were extenuating circumstances or someone is merely repeating stories heard from someone else who heard from someone else......you get the idea. I'd dearly love to see the wording on a ticket and read the supporting evidence on the charge report. If these tickets were ever taken into a court clerk's office,I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't withdrawn on the spot. As Woodsman stated,these are merely "guidelines" suggested to be followed. That's a far cry from enacted legislation and Police can NOT make up violations as they go along.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Thanks trimmer21
Far too many on social media jumping from recommendations (guidelines) to enforceable laws.
These repeated incorrect statements only add up to unnecessary 911 calls which the dispatchers don't need to deal with.
A buddy told me today, someone was told..( you get the drift ), that they heard of two guys rollerblading in a street were charged because they were not distancing ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
This is the type of information that causes social media to explode !!!!
I have no doubt that some bogus charges are being laid.....!
Could there be some bogus charges? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Other than "I was told" stories I've seen no proof of it.
The officer issuing a bogus charge just might have some explaining to do when the charge is reviewed.
Agree with the above. Keep hearing rumours but nobody can produce proof. But they sure love to spread hysteria
Back to the original topic. Lost a lot of respect for Angelo. Because there are a few busy places around Toronto nobody should fish in the entire province. He can go F himself. I will never watch his show again
I remember a young officer that patrolling the back roads around Water valley and spotted some young kids trespassing on the far side of a pasture. After walking across a cow patty covered and muddy field in the dark, he reads the teens the riot acts. As he is talking an adult male walks up with a flash light and asks if there is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
The kids were 100 yards from the house, having a weekend camp out in the back of the horse paddock.
The big issue with some of these "over reach charges" is that to contest the charges you have to apply for a court hearing. Right now in my neighborhood for a simple POT for a Highway Traffic Offence you need to drive to an office to apply for a court date and those offices are presently CLOSED. The court's are automatically extending the 15 days to apply for a court date with a possible re opening of the court offices in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
Its a mess right now and I think the government is hoping the citizens simply "pay the fines". IMHO the LEO,s should be giving warning's as much as possible because the system for contesting these charges is basically shut down right now and I can see lot's of folks getting convicted ex parte and in the future having to jump thought loops to re open cases.
Bogus charges happen quite often I have had 3 over the years. Two were dropped before I even made it to court. Crown called me because the charges didn't even make sense.
Cop was reprimanded for making stuff up. The third one was to far away for me to go to court would have taken a day off work and cost me slightly more then the fine so I sucked it up. Non hunting related
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Originally Posted by Woodsman
Understood ... I am not referring to the law here, I am referring to people's opinions and support for that petition to keep the season closed. It's hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
There are municiple by-laws preventing people from being closer than 2 meters apart. The province has that as a guideline (last time I checked), but certain municipalities like Oakville, have made it law. So you need to look at more than the provincial laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
That isn't totally correct. There are orders that deal with social distancing. Oakville by-law has been passed making it illegal for two people from different households to be closer than 2m apart, furthermore a dog cannot have a leash that is longer than 2m. Infractions are subject to fines up to $100,000. You need to check municipal by-laws!Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Actually that is correct. It happened in Oakville. I believe a father and his son. The infraction was they were roller blading on public grounds (a community center parking lot) which was closed (with warning signs) due to a COVID order. The fine will stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
If you are travelling in a car with a passenger through Oakville and that passenger is not from your household, you can get fined, as you violate the 2m min spacing by-law.
Can the mnr give a social distancing ticket?
They should be allowed to ?
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Not sure ... they can likely present evidence to the police, local and possibly municipal. I think they are able to issue trespassing tickets, which people would do if they are found in conservation areas and parks that have been closed by order. I'm not sure the jurisdiction, but no doubt anything they observe can be used as evidence that can be passed along to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Ok, so they were charged because they were on closed public areas.....not because of social distancing. As far as a by-law in Oakville, I call BS, until someone posts the actual bylaw. If not, it’s just more fake news !! IMHO...Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Not when there is no such offence !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
The Offence is :Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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The fine for failing to comply with the Ontario Emergency and Civil Protection Act is $750. A victim surcharge brings the fine to $880.
When discussing the tickets in a teleconference on Monday, Watson said it was “unfortunate but necessary to make certain people understand we’re all responsible to stop the spread of this deadly virus.”
Watson says one person received two tickets totalling $2,000 for not respecting provincial orders and being verbally aggressive with a bylaw officer.
So far that includes:Quote:
Ottawa Bylaw officers issued 43 tickets over the weekend to people hanging out in parks, gathering in groups larger than five and non-essential businesses remaining open during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Under Ontario’s Emergency Management and Civil Protect Act, all parks are closed except to walk through and non-essential businesses must remain closed.
Ottawa Bylaw said on Friday it would start issuing tickets for:
Gatherings of five or more people in public and private residences
People congregating in parks/using park facilities or equipment
Restaurants that continue to offer dine-in services
Non-essential retail businesses continuing to operate.
The fine for failing to comply with the Ontario Emergency and Civil Protection Act is $750. A victim surcharge brings the fine to $880.
I agree wholeheartedly ! Those offences are violating an Order. The Orders are identified in your post. To date,,,,, there is no Order made that prevents people from being less than 2m apart! The Order is....group gatherings of more than 5 people..... the social distancing, unnecessary travel, washing your gropers, wearing a mask, etc, are only recommendations....so far ! That’s not to say there could not be more Orders made concerning those recommendations.... don’t confuse recommendations with actual Orders!! This is what is happening...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
In the case where they have closed the park, even if your in it by yourself, you're in violation of the Act.
I think that was the case of the guy who got an $880 fine for walking his dog.
Hasn't the city of Toronto and some surrounding areas make it law to ticket anyone not social distancing ? Hiring extra bylaw officers and such telling the police to ticket anyone not social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Mnr should be able to make a social distancing ticket if the rules are not being followed on the rivers .
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Have a walk with one of your buddies in Oakville as a test ... see what happens. You're going to call BS without even researching it? Shaking my head right now ... and you talk about misinformation ...Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Here it is ... for the ultra lazy keyboard warriors ... lol. Can't even google it yourself before you run the mouth off and mislead people.
https://www.oakville.ca/townhall/covid-19.html
"Any two people who don’t live together, who fail to keep two metres of distance between them can be fined a minimum of $300 and maximum of up to $100,000 for each offence."
Ignore rick_iles, he is a person who doesn't bother to research even the easiest thing and then comes on here trying to give us advice. It's a joke. Really pissed me off with that last post ... lazy keyboard warriors! I have no time for BS like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
No! What is happening is you don't know how to research (or too lazy to do so), and are on here misinforming everyone because you are sooooooo confident you know everything. Stop misleading everyone with your misinformed crap. And don't come on here saying ohhh it's a not a provincial order, so it doesn't count ... I was clear, you HAVE to look at the municipal by-laws. PERIOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
He is usually pretty good at some facts,too many new things happening every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
It's all good lol
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Great, thanks for the post. I stand corrected, where Oakville is concerned. There is still no such Orders made by the province.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Don't know about Oakville but Orangeville passed a bylaw with fines with respect to social distancing. Details here:Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
https://dufferincounty.ca/news/covid...-orangeville-0
There’s lots of confusion, primarily because things are changing daily. Municipalities can make their own Orders under the Act. So what is ok in one municipality, may not be in another. Making blanket statement of what is allowed and what is not, is obviously not correct...Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
And now we agree ... everyone must do their research and find out the applicable federal, provincial AND municipal laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Which is what prompted my comment to Woodsman back on post #33 .Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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.I don't think you should be making a blank statement like that.
Yep... my bad !!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Rick, okay, my respect for you, earned back. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Isn’t it ironic that the biggest infringement on our rights during this pandemic are by the lowest level of government. Glad I live in a township with common sense. Boat launches are open, walking trails open, park facilities like playstructures, gazebos Etc are closed as per the provincial order but everything else is pretty normal; people out jogging, boating, fishing, hiking, walking all while social distancing. Imagine that, adults being able to practice personal hygiene and take care of themselves without a nanny state.
How do they do that social distance (2 metre rule) using public transit...... I doubt they can do that properly..... I think only recently they started to block off seating to keep people from being too close.... But those buses only get cleaned at the end of the day, lots of people touching things throughout the day, that can`t be good......
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
https://globalnews.ca/news/6810568/c...rblading-fine/Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
That’s old news Gilly! Try to keep up !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
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Originally Posted by MarkB
Its old news but it does indicate your previous post was correct and that the charges laid were under the emergency management and civil protection act.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Trimmer wanted to see an example of such a ticket, am I still allowed to post it for him SIR?
How about a picture of the whole ticket?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
They got ticketed for being in a closed park as an authorized order under the act.
I honestly wish it could be that way, but this is a case of how a few individuals ruin it for the majority. A few individuals (I can easily point out teenagers, but even some adults) don't really care about the risk, so they meet up, make out, have parties, etc. and put a lot of other people at risk. Government is now having to make by-laws to stop this ... and yes, it's a bit of a slap in the face to the rest of us mature people. In fact, when I go running, it's hilarious ... if I see people ahead, they move to the other side of the street ... even though I'd run around them with at least 3m to 4m distance between us. They end up 15m away ... people are more than responding to the need to distance, no one is telling them to stay 15m apart ... they do that on their own!Quote:
Originally Posted by JJZ
Anyhow, we aren't going to change the laws anytime soon. You should hope it stays that way in your town ... but if they get a few COVID cases ... they may reconsider.
As pretty usual, that article is FULL of errors, likely on purpose to get reader interest. They were NOT given a ticket due to the social distancing by-law in Oakville. They belonged to the same household, so the by-law does not apply. The By-Law officer did not state or accuse them of breaking the social distancing (2m) by-law ... they stated they needed to get off the property ... implying they could roller blade just not on the property. The property was closed due to the PROVINCIAL ORDER (it says right there Glen Abbey Community Center) all public venues need to close and people are not permitted to use them or be situated on their premises. The municipality actually had no choice in the matter. It comes from the province. The dad was being a di*k ... yes, he asked a question ... but there's posters everywhere on the center doors, light poles, etc. that make it clear the venue is closed. Then he "asks" a question ... I wasn't there but I'm sensing from the article the officer gave him sufficient warning, and he was just being a little too stubborn about it. What some people don't understand is the laibility the government takes on if these orders are not enforced. All you need is for an officer to turn a blind eye, then somebody else claims they got COVID at the facility, and the cops were being complacent ... $1 million lawsuit ... lawyers will be all over that! From what I've seen, officers have been giving a lot of warnings, which tells me they aren't pounding people, they are trying to do this as nicely as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yes, but the issue was whether Oakville in fact had a social distancing (2m) by-law ... they do. I have heard (hear say) that warnings and possibly tickets were given on the QEW highway off ramps in Oakville for this by-law. Cops were pulling over vehicles with multiple occupants, and asking for proof of residence. If they did not belong to the same household, they were either warned or fined, as they were not maintaining a minimum distance of 2m within the vehicle, passenger seat is only 1m away from driver seat. They 100% will be able to enforce that kind of ticket ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I suppose they did not want the full ticket and personal identifiers there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
I posted you a link to give an example of the ticket given out and circumstances in the Oakville rollerblading case and you immediately replyQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
its full of errors.Hard to know what you want.
Or they tried to hide the location of the infraction which would show they were in a closed park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Sorry, when I wrote that, I didn't direct it to you. I was working out (in my own head) and trying to show others why there was so much confusion and people believe it was just rumour that oakville was issuing tickets for not social distancing ... the news is the culprit here! That was not directed at you, I'm just reacting to the way the news twists everything to sensationalize things ... getting tired of their lies.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MarkB
The story did indicate they were in an empty parking lot of the Glen Abbey Community center.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsman
No need to apologize to me,I was only trying to post a link to the story and picture of the ticket for Trimmer and Rick to show the location and offence alleged.All good.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Thanks anyway,Gilroy,but,posting the ticket isn't necessary. If MarkB says the guy was in a closed area,a bylaw officer gave him every opportunity to simply leave before finally writing him up,I'll certainly take his word for it. Some people are their own worst enemy when dealing with LEO's,right?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I think it was one of them "attitude adjustments tickets".Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
By the way, I wasn't there ... but there's so much that can be easily and fairly accurately be gathered from the article. For sure, ALL Oakville community centers have posted signage ... that I've seen with my own eyes, and even this one, I don't live that far from it. The title implies the ticket was issued due to an infraction of social distancing, but in fact the write up and ticket posted clarify it is disobeying a provincial order. The guy challenged the officer, after being told to get out ... the signs are posted, officer comes up says get out, he pushes back by saying, "come on, it's an empty parking lot" ... it's all in the article ... that guy just provided any judge enough evidence to raise that fine and enforce it all he wants. Sorry, don't mean to type all this ... but I want to make sure everyone understands, I wasn't there, but I don't think we're having to guess too much here either.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I seen it on the news where they interview him and his son..... So he challenged him, whats the big deal..... I wasn't there but if that's all he did was say......"come on, the place is empty"......IMO... no ticket should have been given... Sometimes people with some power get carried away... Like I said I wasn't there but if I just took the fathers word for it, no ticket should have been given.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
On a side note, lets ..........Open up the boat ramps :goodstuff:
Yeah the MINISTER whimped out an left the municipalities to do HIS dirty work! They should have just closed fishing and made it clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
Why? Closing fishing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Every area is different, I can fish and not see another soul let alone within 6 feet of someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
I fully understand why the south is cranky and jealous but like I said before, I take a huge pay cut not to have to deal with a cluttered environment.
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MPP John Yakabuski (MNRF) did absolutely the right thing....as OakNut says, there are many areas in the province where fishing can be done under the EMA rules...so let the municipalities make the call as to what THEY feel is best for their constituents. That is the proper way to govern.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
Ang finally realized the error of his ways and gave a somewhat backhanded apology but an apology nonetheless. I dont doubt it was more about saving the brand but should serve as a reminder to others of the old adage.. dont bite the hand that feeds you!
I just heard rumour that the Town of Port Hope has banned access through municipal property to the Ganaraska River. Not 100% sure but ?????
As has been mentioned previously, municipalities have the power to impose their own restrictions. For the time being, Chatham-Kent has decided not to create any new legislation regarding boat ramps.
https://ckxsfm.com/boat-ramps-marina...Fv6JXv3-qohFMM
No wonder if you've ever seen the shyte show along the river banks for the trout opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
T 21, I did one year, it was a party all night, lots of drunks falling in the water at the crack of dawn. The true fisherpeople , the ones there for the fishing, not the party ,would not be close to the yahoos in town.
Sorry I was too broad in my statement. You're right it is mostly a Southern Ontario problem right now. The Minister could have drawn a line for closure. I realize it's a different world up there. I'm from Pembroke originally.Quote:
Originally Posted by oaknut
It's a crap show down here with the piecemeal approach municipalities have used. The only people that have been impacted are the people who don't own property along a body of water.....which is most people!
I still stand by my criticism of Mr. Yakabuski. No leadership at all in this matter.
#1 - he broke the law ... the signs are posted ... you have to be really ignorant to not realize you are breaking the law in this case. So the by-law officer DIDN't have to provide a warning. He did give him a warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
#2 - The guy should have said, "Sorry" and gotten off the site ... then ask questions ... "Didn't realize it applied to the parking lot ... am I understanding the correctly?"
You see the FATHER's view on the news, and are judging the officer with ... that's it?? Come on ... everyone and anyone can appear to be a victim in this case. How do you know that is the correct story, without giving the officer a chance or the benefit of the doubt? I know there are power tripped cops out there, I had to deal with one and got off in court ... but we have to be careful with stereotyping.
It's not a rumour ... been following it every day ... they tried to get Province to delay fish opening. They weren't getting any luck, so I think yesterday they banned ALL access to the Ganaraska. Up to Tuesday, you could still access parts of it, as long as you stayed out of the Conservation Areas, and south of the railtracks - park and boat launch. Not anymore, it's been all shut down from the municipal by-law.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Better going in the middle of the week, when no one normally shows up... but we can't do that either now.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Not trying to be facetious...but what do you think he should have done ??Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
Yes,we can as long as social distancing is practiced which is the issue on the opener. Fishing and hunting seasons aren't closed. Municipalities have closed boat ramps,but,they'll be opened shortly when the province starts the re-opening..Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
In my area Mississippi Mills has opened up all their boat launches, but you can be sure bylaw will be closely monitoring social distancing rules.
I think it would be less likely to catch the bug at your local launch ramp as long as you're not lined up like cordwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
If it's OK to line up for groceries,beer,liquor stores and gas stations,a boat ramp is a walk in the park. Logically,by municipalities keeping them closed,they haven't a legal leg to stand on and find themselves in a whole world of trouble very quickly. It's the kiss of death for local politicians and do they ever know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Yea..if x20 boats show up opening morning at the crack of dawn, they will have to close it down if guys aren't patient like all the other lines of late. Going to be a slower process than normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
Don’t forget to take your guns looks more like you mean business. Just SayingQuote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
In order to avoid the huge Trespass problem that will result from randomly closing boat launches and river access points, he should have closed fishing in certain Counties or even FMU if that makes it clearer. He issued a very weak recommendation for no essential travel. He didn't even try to define "essential" so the municipalities took it upon themselves to discourage fishing and hunting. Now we could have just crowded more people on to less places.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You need to explain this post because as it reads,it's pretty much "out there".Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
well back to the topic.... of say "no to fishing"..... IMO is really dumb....as it is and has always been.... fishing is a sport of social distancing...pandemic or no....nobody wants to fish shoulder to shoulder....As far as the nut jobs at fish n-Canada starting a petition...to close fishing....all I can say Is ...pure crazy.
If we can attend a grocery store then the lake is a no brainer....if you want to fish go out and fish...
do the smart thing and avoid people as much as you can... and no kissing the fish....ok!!!!
I don't post much on this forum, and I have been by in a long time to see what's up, but seeing this article I just had to post.
It would have been idiotic to "close" fishing seasons.
Fine, close boat ramps (still stupid in my opinion), close public access locations (We The People of Canada don't have any land rights anyway) - but to close the fishing season would be utterly stupid and accomplish nothing. Like Trudeau's latest gun ban. It won't do anything to improve safety of Canadians.
I understand that many here are duped into the severity of this CV19, even months into it and it isn't anywhere near the super-scary disease they made it out to be. It's this years flu virus. They could have done the same last year, and next year too. Just give it a name and have the media drone on and on about it every day 24/7.
The reaction to CV19 is over-blown by 1000%. But everything they do is by design. If the media told people that wearing underwear on their heads would save them from CV19, you'd see people wearing underwear on their heads.
I know my opinion isn't popular these days - but being right and being popular usually are two different things.
The government and media reaction to CV19 is all about control - nothing about keeping Canadians safe.
Trudeau proved this by breaking his self-imposed quarantine to pander to special interest groups and stand in a group of thousands to do his photo op kneel. Then the CV19 panel had to back-peddle and say "protesting" in groups of thousands is OK - when just days before they were ticketing people in the park in Toronto for having fun.
Cheers.
Yep.....stay in your lane bucko. There are people WAY smarter than Angelo making the important decisions. Sit down buckle up and shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Yeah, easy to say "don't fish...blah blah...' when you're a professional fisherman. They can do virtual seminars, product testing and endorsements etc. to still make money. The rest of us poor slob amateur fishermen need to do something to take our mind off of this pandemic. And, agreed, fishing is the perfect 'social distancing' sport. So, get off your high horses Angelo and the boys. I TOTALLY DISAGREE and will continue to fish as the law allows.