https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario...star_web_ymbii
Well that’s not good
This is scary. They are talking about the possibility of letting people go to their cottages the Victoria Day long weekend. After seeing this I hope not. Who knows how many people they came into contact with and where??
Self entitled ones that can't follow simple health requests. Hopefully they didn't infect anyone.
And this.
https://www.chch.com/mayor-disgusted...on-port-dover/
However.
If the law says it’s ok....
And if you have a problem with it, then the issue is Rob Ford. Not cottagers or bikers or which ever devil details.
/draws pentagram
/lights candles
/begins invocation
:)
Doug Ford is not the problem.....It`s the individuals that are mocking the social rules that are the problem.....Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Doug Ford, well, I may not agree with all his decisions, I do think he is doing a pretty good job,
Really not sure about this one..........no offence to anyone.
If the person was tested positive up in Muskoka-and they left to go home,if they did so( assume since they are passed on to the Public Health under jurisdiction they are based on home address )then :
-Did not they actually do what Cottage Country wants them to do(do not tie resources???)
I understand both sides of this topic,but the point is murky to me( at least ).
Oh-and i do not own a cottage (unfortunately)
Not saying he’s not. Somethings he has not handled as well he might or should have.
Maybe this one, we can change the song, dance to something a little different.
Use perhaps similar analogies.
I have friends, that have gone to their cottages. A perfectly legal thing. You don’t have to agree with the law. You are or can try to change the law. Your not allowed to publicly or privately shame them. And I’ve seen plenty of both. Your not allowed to say “no to them. .
Like anti hunters do to us, when we post pictures of dead Bambi, Cecil. Go F yourself is my normal response, who do you think you are? The law?
Ford decision not to. Is for me anyways obvious. Part of the problem, for everyone.
Is that there is little continuity, cohesion. “This ok, that not” despite some really glaring paradoxes. It results in arguments and what not amongst the citizens.
And just in case, so I want to be clear. Though obviously some might think I’m talking about the stuff here.
I’m not.
I have seen friend on Facebook rip into each other. One friend post the usual “cottage” image and a comment about being there...and off it goes..
I’ve seen friends arguing about going for walks, or hiking in woods, all the same stuff we’ve seen here. And no differently than “Cecil”...
You are assuming that they did not go out of their cottage or did not come into contact with others while they were in the area and also did not come into contact with anyone or anything on the way home. Do you really think someone ignoring the rules about staying home is really going to self isolate for 14 days? I think not. Welcome to stage two of covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
As far as I know , staying away from the cottage is not a rule, (law), but a suggestion. Why? Likely because they can't prevent it.
JM. I know how you feel,,I don’t blame you. I don’t really blame “cottagers” other. I’d be there myself.
It’s the 10-20% that won’t self isolate.
I’m curious, those weekenders that tested positive. We’re they self isolating? Maybe 90% were.
4-5 of them likely not. And in a small town like huntville say.....the start of a snowball.
Either way. Um, how did they test positive without leaving the cottage?
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And this in part is why. It’s on Ford. He didn’t have the stones to order it.
We can tell people all we like, why they shouldn’t target brook trout during July/Aug. we can explain why fighting Musky to exhaustion isn’t a good idea. We can ask them not to... The law says they can. And really I don’t mind.
Because ultimately. I am responsible for my own safety. When I go into town, I assume every weekender, and every resident and every door handle/gas pump.
Is a land mine..
If I catch it...it’s my own fault.
But all that said.
We all or most us, think JT should have closed the airports...so...
I was under the impression the Feds, the province and each municipality had plans to this. They do. They talk about the importance of cohesion. Call that 1 rule for all.
Apparently not.
Or perhaps, they need to give a lot of thought to crap, so that next time. The rules are “the same for everyone”.
The class action lawsuit resulting from 'cottagers', being forbidden by law, from going to their own property, yet still having to pay taxes would bankrupt most northern communities.
Well it's law here in Haldimand/Norfolk according to my neighbour couple who are a judge and a lawyer. The medical officer of health had the power to make it law and did much to the chagrin of the mayor's and councillors. What's to stop the other MOH of the region's and county's from doing the same thing? Enforcement however? I will say we have some over zealous bylaw officers here from the true stories I've heard and after personally emailing the mayor who told them to have some common sense, but they continually do it. Want me to ask my judge friend fishermccann?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Sure please do. I am guessing there are going to be some property tax rebates in that area. I did not know that medical officer of health can make laws, unilaterally.
I am now off to stand on a bridge over the 401 , for the repatriation of one of our true Canadian heroes.
I think ford said not to do that lol. It will be broadcasted on the television.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
But do as you please lol just buggin ya ,but I do think he said to not go though. He didnt want the crowds but if you all stay socially distanced all is well.
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I've been to my retreat a few times already. Left my home and didn't leave my vehicle until I arrived. Wasn't near anyone, don't see a problem. Will be heading back for long weekend
I usually spend 5 months at the cottage following May 24 . I too will be going up, and I will decide then, for how long. I usually only come back to the city long enough to cut the lawn and pick up the mail, then back up ASAP. Can't see this year being any different.
Makes me wonder about washroom facilities for all these travelers, there's no Timmy's or Mcdonalds to duck into when traveling or anything else for that matter.
It is what it is JL.
We can dance around it, walk on eggshells. We can argue endlessly why not, or why it's ok. At the end of the day..........
But to your point.. "yep". I suppose Quebec closing the border, First Nations closing theirs, Us (mainly closing ours), other countries, States in the US. It's not a request to stay home....Northern Ontario tourism resorts, not a request. Camping in the middle of nowhere. Not a request...
I hope I express it well. :)
Enforcement?
Some cost, but really, nothing more than running plates.... Done every day, whether on the road or in a driveway...wrong area code?
Like the COs know certain times of year to hit certain rivers, boat launches...Liscence please
but ultimately.
I really don't "sweat" it. I take care of my own safety...and its ok...
They can't. They can however issue orders and advisories using the powers granted them under the law. Same type of thing happens under many different existing laws - Safe Drinking Water Act, Water Resources Act, Fish and Wildlife Act, Environmental Protection Act etc.. In many of those instances it is called a Provincial Officer's Order and the order will lay out conditions and time lines. Like anything else you can chose to fight it but it is on your own nickel. No Order from a health unit or otherwise can violate your Charter Right's or other super-ceding laws(eg. a municipality cannot pass a by-law that contravenes provincial or federal law) If that happens and you fight it you will win but be broke. The order also has to be reasonable given the circumstances. An unreasonable order would also fail in a court challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
So my neighbour's specialty is criminal law. He's going to look into it.
Looked at the mayor's FB this morning and he had this posted about the Chief medical officers order. It comes under section 22 of the health promotion and protection act. He says there are just as many residents in favor of it as there are cottagers against. Enforcement will not likely happen.
My neighbour said he read an article where Ford wasn't very happy about what the chief medical officer did in Haldimand Norfolk. He also said those people that tested positive in Simcoe Muskoka should of went back to their primary residence to get tested.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...3&id=619987672
What part is he looking into. The authority a health officer has for their municipality?
Remember, we are under the EA. Which was declared by the Province and I’m sure every municipality declared their own. That might change the normal way of things.
I read this way back. I kind of like knowing what I might be subject to. :)
There’s a few sections that are pertinent to what Munis are supposed to do. And under section 7, what powers the province has to restrict movement, and more. Pretty much Carte Blanche if ford wants to pull the trigger.
The section that might pertain to the Munis is section 4. I suspect it might be something lawyers could or would have to fight in court.
I know if I was in charge of a Region. And I felt it necessary to do X. I wouldn’t worry much about Ford. And if it cost me my job later. well I can walk away with my head high. Presumption being I was convinced I was doing the right thing...
It’s a state of emergency. Each region, could have different dynamics. What I’m driving at here, is rather than all areas being under EAs, and a provincial EA. If the town of “Huntsville” is under 8 feet of water. I’d like to think the town of Huntville has some authority and autonomy . Mel Lastman called in the army back in the day, so I think they have some autonomy. And each province has some autonomy even though the Feds...Quebec closed their border.
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90e09
50/50
Which explains why Ford is afraid to piss off too many. He...He stands to lose as much support as he might gain. And we all know. The towns or areas or people in question. Too Fn bad. It’s about me getting re-elected..
JBen, not sure what he's looking into.
HN CMO still defiant.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ages-1.5558235
Doug Ford not happy about HN CMO decision.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...d-19-1.5554940
Cottagers could face fines. $5000 per day
https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilto...stay-away.html
How long till they hand out one of the tickets to a high profile lawyer at their cottage. Then they work pro-bono in a class action suit and have those tickets withdrawn. Clayton Ruby is a neighbor of mine up north, and I know he would be all over that. His wife Harriet would agree with him, (usually), and she is a Justice, in the Ontario Supreme Court of Justice. Clayton loves a good fight.