Good morning!
Lyle, our assistant digital editor for the summer, just finished his piece on the border closure.
What do you folks think?
https://oodmag.com/border-closure-hu...sm-operations/
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Good morning!
Lyle, our assistant digital editor for the summer, just finished his piece on the border closure.
What do you folks think?
https://oodmag.com/border-closure-hu...sm-operations/
This first comment summarizes their plight..."Nighthawk Outfitters owner Gary Couillard has an exclusively American clientele, making the 2020 season a wash."
They cater almost exclusively to non-Canadians because they make more money with that clientele. If they re-focused on attracting more Ontarians and accept they won't make as much money, their season wouldn't be a wash...just not as lucrative.
Even without the Covid-19 problems, these northern fishing/hunting camps are something I’ve always wanted to go to, but can’t because my wife and I are allergic to smoke, and I’ve never found a camp yet that didn’t have either wood stove or campfires.
Now, with the Covid issues, I’m not sure I would even go to one that didn’t have the fires!
It's there own doing, no love lost from me.... If they were cater to Canadians (after all they are our Canadian resources being used/taken) I would have some sympathy for them but as it stands now, they made their own your bed.... You either change the sheets or watch them get soiled....Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I've tried over the years to book Moose hunts with northern outfitters. After they saw where I lived,they quickly told me that they cater to US clients,only,and pretty much blew me off. I should have known,though,after noting that all their prices were much higher than local outfitters and all quoted in US funds. Many of the northern outfitter resorts are owned by US citizens. It's very difficult for me to generate sympathy for their plight. The old adage of "Being hoisted on their own petard" comes to mind.
Guess they should take on some Canadians. The greed for money is too much sometimes for many.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Keep your business with someone who will appreciate and welcome all hunters. [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
If they want to only cater to only Americans let's, let them have it lol. Not our problem the border is closed lol.
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There are tourism and hospitality businesses all over Ontario that are suffering because the border is closed. The alternative is opening the border to non-essential travellers and letting possibly infected Americans spread the virus among us and permit Canadians to travel south and bring the virus back.
In my opinion, all outfitters and lodges should have started marketing to Canadians months ago. This could have been done online through different groups like Facebook. I am seeing all kinds of Waterfowl outfitters from Saskatchewan and Ontario promoting their businesses this way. I think it’s time for people that can afford it to support some of the local businesses. These businesses should also have some sort of incentives to attract new business.
Anyone who thinks the border to the US will be open soon is just not dealing with our new reality.
The USA with 5 million plus cases, 41,000 new cases and over 1050 dead in the last 24hrs, opening the border to free travel is a great idea....:rolleye:
Sorry sir, but are you not one of the ones, who thought that Prime Minister T. was over-reacting when he shut down the border in March? Many on here did , sorry if it was not you .Many on here said it was to soon, then said it was to late. Whatever the sitting government does about the border, 40% will be upset about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Nice try. Trump called the turd and told him to close it. Within hours of the call, the turd was on the tube announcing the closure.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
If your aware it was the same week the turd brought his family home from the UK and his wife was sick with covid.
Never did I claim anything about the closure to soon. But if he opens it up to free travel, then prepare for the second wave.
....That is why I said 'maybe'.... it may not have been you. Many others on here did say, that he closed it to soon and then later said he closed it to late. Oh well, no matter what he does now , about 40 % , ( according to the poles) , would say the governments response to covid was wrong. The other 60% will say it was the correct response ,and will elect him once again , to be PM of Canada .While the cons. , leaderless ,wander in the wilderness.
What's sad is back in March our PM on the news telling our country all international travellers were being screened at airports, when no such thing was happening.
Not sure anything he says has much truth anymore.
What's even worse are the people that support him...
I've been in those boots as a bear outfitter and know first hand the reasons why they are reluctant to bring in residents. First and most obvious of course is hunts are advertised and paid in the American dollar. Its a business so they're going to take every advantage they can to make a profit. Now, when it comes to bear outfitters most are Ontario residents, not Americans who hold the BMA's. In the west part of the province, yep, there are a number of lodges owned by Americans. I have no idea what the percentage is.
The second reason residents aren't welcomed is because they've been known to book the season with an outfitter then the following season are found sitting near the outfitters baited stand and camping nearby.
Let's not forget that the outfitters can also apply for loss of business and recoup a healthy amount from the government Covid 19 asssitance
plan, but as others have said when you cater to the US dollar you have to live and die with it
WE have all felt the impact of the border one way or another but the line must stay closed to keep people save . I understand about the income lost and I agree we all need money but can you put a price on the risk of passing it on to others , trust me I live with this ever. day my wife is on the front line (nurse) every time she walks in to the hospital she's at risk ,our town has been very lucky with the number of cases being low .
Dont worry, the Russians will save us. They already have a vaccine being used.
Mr. Putin says, it's good his daughter has taken it.
Is he not besties ,with your favorite, trump? Ya we can trust both of those guys....Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
How much can we trust Justin, your idol?...rolmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
I think the same holds true for moose hunt outfitters.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Please save the political propaganda for off-topic, folks. Thank-you.
+1. Ontario has made the effort to reduce the virus. Most of America hasn't. If Americans don't give a damn if they spread the virus to other Americans they will care even less about spreading it to Canadians.Quote:
Originally Posted by overtheir
KOA: Keep Out Americans. Keep Out of America.
Isn’t the border closed till august 21. Any hear talk of that being extended again only 7 days to go . Please keep it closed.
Just seen this
We are extending the reciprocal restrictions at the Canada-US border for another 30 days, till Sept. 21, 2020. We will continue to do what’s necessary to keep our communities safe,” tweeted Public Safety Minister Bill Blair.
Yeah but 14 thousand Americans flew into Canada last week since we are in stage 3 . If this trend continues we will see upwards of 75 thousand people coming in from the US. 10 times that with all the other international travelers by then. Are the boarders still really closed. I heard of a couple trying to go and get married in Vegas to bring back her Mexican boyfriend into [emoji1063] .Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Always a loop hole [emoji874]
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The only thing that really changes for Americans coming to these Ontario based lodges is that they will have to fly between countries, only the land borders are closed to non essential travel.
Flights are dirt cheap now. Probably cheaper than driving.
Honestly if you want to live my the sword you die by the sword. We go on a fishing trip every year and a fly in every other year and we boycott any camp that advertises in $USD only. I could care less about their business model - you are running a business on Canadian soil you need to be open for business for Canadians as well as Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Good Old Air Canada - first in line for government handouts and last to follow government protocol. Classic case of profits over safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
https://globalnews.ca/news/7273310/a...l-coronavirus/
Many of these outfitters have created there own problem.
They don't want Canadian customers when the can milk the US customers for more money.
Now that business plan has failed at least temporarily they cry the blues.
Not a lot of sympathy from me.
I am projecting that the boarder will remain closed for the majority of this summer or until the majority of Canadians are vaccinated, which at this rate it will probably take until the end of 2022.
Fishing and hunting lodges need to pivot & adapt during this pandemic or die. Americans will not be traveling to Canada anytime soon.
If there was a good price on a bear hunt, I might be able to support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Sounds like a plan count me in.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
I've stayed at a number of different places. Both hunting/fishing and not at all. They all rely on foreigners, Ontarians don't want to pay to explore their backyard. One place I stayed at, an absolutely amazing log cabin, tucked away, with to do die for food ( American plan only). 90% of the clients are European, despite the GTA being just 3 hours away.
In the off topic forum, there's a popular thread about China/trade/buy Canadian etc. Many people seemed to indicate they would. Yet, the most common reply in this thread is too expensive.....
So maybe it's just as much a chicken and egg here too. Maybe tourism operators, started relying more and more on Americans years ago, because Ontarians didn't want to...I can recall as a child many moons ago, my favorite part of the Sportsman show was the travel hall. One could spend hours in there. Last time I went you could power walk it in 5 minutes. All businesses small or large, need customers first. I'm reasonably confident they stopped paying, stopped attending because the "return" wasn't worth it.
Maybe they adapted years ago to cater to foreigners' out of need? As opposed to the almighty USD?
I go to a fishing lodge once a year for my guys annual fishing trip and every second year I go to a fly in. I also enjoyed he travel hall at the sportsman show but I will never spend my travel money with an outfitter that advertises in $USD out of principle. I get it.......some lodges makes a large percentage of their money from US clients but you are at the TO sportsman show - that is Canada......tell me what your prices are in Canadian funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
They put all their eggs in one basket and are now paying the price. No US travel in 2020 and 2021 is shaping up to be similar to 2021.
I can understand some of the prices being asked for a hunt with an outfitter.
Most of them have a lot of money tied up in stands, ATV's, trucks, accommodations, insurance, and land use permits.
Not to mention the time involved, especially the ones doing bear.
I don't think that $1000 for a deer hunt or $1500 for a bear hunt is too much for anyone that does not have the time or location to hunt on their own.
During these hunts you have the opportunity to meet other people and in some cases new friends that get together year after year with that outfitter.
Last year and looks like this year has hurt most of them.
The government covid money was not available to most of the outfitters.
Maybe they will see the need to advertise in Canadian dollars and cater more to residents.
Maybe more will see the need to advertise in Canadian money
I think that their rates are quite reasonable - especially if you are a hunter that does not have a place or the means to hunt for either a deer or a bear. Paying $1,500 Cdn for a 7 day fly in is very reasonable IMHO......including flight in/out, lodge, boats & motors and gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunt guy
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There's a massive difference between North America and Europe when it comes to rail travel. Europe it's on time and has lots of options to join between cities. In North America you have to wait, freight rules the rails, passenger service is second and the ticket prices are ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolcosaf