It begins.......prices in select cities going up.

Well with all the defund the police talk, and civil unrest happening in some places it was bound to happen.

Companies are refusing to send drivers to deliver or pickup loads in any city that has or is talking about defunding police.

Other cities are more lucky. They will only have to pay extra to have food and supplies delivered. Companies are adding a "Dangerous Location " fee to ever load going to some areas.

The fee is to
1) mitigate the insurance risk( keeps insurance rate low) of loss of equipment and cargo.

2) pay drivers for the extra risk and stress of delivery to " Dangerous Location(s)". The Danger pay is being paid per drop.

Generally that means any delivery with in a 100 mile radius of the city center.

An example would be if Toronto was on the list. The radius would cover a large part of Central ontario.

From about London on the west to Bellville in the east. Fort Erie in the south to north of Barrie.

If Buffalo NY goes on the list things will be interesting...

Not to bad.. work for four days get paid for seven or eight.

But the prices are going to go wild.

So is that going to effect UPS,Canada post Fedex so on ?

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Originally Posted by js4fn

So is that going to effect UPS,Canada post Fedex so on ?

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Not sure about that..They are generally only moving freight terminal to terminal.

Think the truck that delivers to the builders supply warehouse and sits on the street. Or the truck doing multiple drops to grocery stores in the middle of the night.

UPS, FEDEX, Canada Post is like going between armed compounds in enemy territory. General freight is more like living outside the wire for a week or two.

I am not sure how to describe it right off the top of my head.

One of the most dangerous routes for a driver (in Canada) is down the 401 corridor between Montreal and Toronto... heard horrifying stories.

I guess the government will need to raise taxes then. As I would be willing to bet half of the miscreants causing this shyte show are on suckling on the teat of the social welfare system as most people with Jobs can't be out all hours of the night rioting. So the government will have to supplement their income a little more to cover the extra cost.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

So is that going to effect UPS,Canada post Fedex so on ?

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Ok. I think I was answering the wrong question.

Will it effect local package and mail ?

It very well could. If you order something or send something, and the pickup or delivery address is in the no go zone.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

One of the most dangerous routes for a driver (in Canada) is down the 401 corridor between Montreal and Toronto... heard horrifying stories.

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The 401 is listed as one of the most deadly/Dangerous highways in a World wide ranking.

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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304

I guess the government will need to raise taxes then. As I would be willing to bet half of the miscreants causing this shyte show are on suckling on the teat of the social welfare system as most people with Jobs can't be out all hours of the night rioting. So the government will have to supplement their income a little more to cover the extra cost.

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Welfare is a state run Agency. The states that this is happening in....well let's just say they already have people leaving as the taxes are too high.

York region doesn't need to bee listed as more dangerous lol.

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This is a very interesting topic. Imagine how many people will be outraged by a price increase, yet most of them will have no idea they've caused it.

I feel bad for any driver having to endure a riot or any of these common scenes that are all over the internet these days. City traffic is torture enough without the risk of being literally tortured or killed.

Well maybe it would be a good thing for UPS,FEDEX and the rest to take some time off..

https://vm.tiktok.com/JMYdw4D/

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

The 401 is listed as one of the most deadly/Dangerous highways in a World wide ranking.

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Just curious(and unaware)why is that?

I need some input about the actual figures, but would a big rig driver not make around 100 thousand a year? Same as cops who work in that area every day or twice what a ' garbage man' makes for working in the same area . Please justify why truckers should get more for going into an area that others work in every day, with no danger pay.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I need some input about the actual figures, but would a big rig driver not make around 100 thousand a year? Same as cops who work in that area every day or twice what a ' garbage man' makes for working in the same area . Please justify why truckers should get more for going into an area that others work in every day, with no danger pay.

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Well for one thing no one is going to hi-jack a garage truck for its contents but someone may be a hell of a lot more interested it a truck for of electronics or groceries.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I need some input about the actual figures, but would a big rig driver not make around 100 thousand a year? Same as cops who work in that area every day or twice what a ' garbage man' makes for working in the same area . Please justify why truckers should get more for going into an area that others work in every day, with no danger pay.

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Yes you need to a little input. There are not many cops or Drivers that are going to make the sunshine list.

When cops have a problem they can call for backup and shoot back..

When Drivers have a problem they can call the cops........if there are any around.

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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304

Well for one thing no one is going to hi-jack a garage truck for its contents but someone may be a hell of a lot more interested it a truck for of electronics or groceries.

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It is not the chance of being robbed that is the real problem. Protesters have started swarming highways and Interstates, so it is not just in downtown areas anymore. Imagine driving thru Toronto on the 401 and from behind an overpass 80 to 200 people all run out and stand there. Your car may stop in time, but the trucks in the other lanes and behind you may not..

You ever hit a person and kill them?

Maybe a deer? Just think about every deer you have ever hit or seen dead on the road all in one place. Now imagine them as people..

Now just about ever person in that group that you did not just KILL is attacking you..

Well in Ontario a few years back I haven't checked recently but a opp constable fresh out of police college started at 93,000 before any overtime. 100,000 doesn't go as far as it did when they started the sunshine list.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

It is not the chance of being robbed that is the real problem. Protesters have started swarming highways and Interstates, so it is not just in downtown areas anymore. Imagine driving thru Toronto on the 401 and from behind an overpass 80 to 200 people all run out and stand there. Your car may stop in time, but the trucks in the other lanes and behind you may not..

You ever hit a person and kill them?

Maybe a deer? Just think about every deer you have ever hit or seen dead on the road all in one place. Now imagine them as people..

Now just about ever person in that group that you did not just KILL is attacking you..

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Anyone stupid enough to run out into the freeway with transports and speeding cars gets what they deserve in my opinion you can't fix stupid and the ones that managed to avoid being hit should be arrested on the spot!!!

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Yes you need to a little input. There are not many cops or Drivers that are going to make the sunshine list.

When cops have a problem they can call for backup and shoot back..

When Drivers have a problem they can call the cops........if there are any around.

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I guess you need to read the sunshine list. Most police officers are on the list. So are a lot of bus drivers, I guess they should get danger pay for driving in the city.

Sure come drive here.
Grays Av & Lindbergh Blvd
Philadelphia, PA 19143, United States
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pwQe7yWkFfEuwaDq9

This is the next block...this is where they were rioting two weeks ago.

Some of those houses are gone..

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PaP25HDNvZ3PdV1U9

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I guess you need to read the sunshine list. Most police officers are on the list. So are a lot of bus drivers, I guess they should get danger pay for driving in the city.

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They may..? Not my contract.

I think the underlying point of this thread is.....Democrat (US) and Liberal (Canada) strongholds are eventually turned into s**tholes due to their policies.

Why? Because everyone, absolutely everyone , should be treated equally, and they are fighting for that right. ( No matter how stupid they are for doing damage). Republicans and Cons. are happy with the status quo.. Which is not good enough. Why did trump only send federal agents into Democratic states? Obviously to cause a rift.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Why? Because everyone, absolutely everyone , should be treated equally, and they are fighting for that right. ( No matter how stupid they are for doing damage). Republicans and Cons. are happy with the status quo.. Which is not good enough. Why did trump only send federal agents into Democratic states? Obviously to cause a rift.

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He sent federal agents to protect federal property where it was under threat. The properties under threat just happened to be in Democrat run areas for some reason.

If people didn't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, they'd realize that the info is extremely easy to find. The Dem's running these cities refused to prevent rioters from destroying Gov't buildings and statues(that's their job). The Fed's are next in line to protect these places and are responsible to prevent their destruction. It's called leadership. If the lib's or dem's had any respect for the rule of law, you know the law that's suppose to be applied equally across society. We'd all be better off. Trudeau is a showcase example of rules for me and rules for thee.

Not 'for some reason'. The reason was because Republican states are happy with the status quo. Democratic states don't want the same old same old, and want change in how unfairly 'some' people are treated. During the battles about segregation it was Republican states that had all the riots. Why...... because they wanted to keep things the way they were. You know , with first and second class citizens, to be decided by the colour of your skin.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Not 'for some reason'. The reason was because Republican states are happy with the status quo. Democratic states don't want the same old same old, and want change in how unfairly 'some' people are treated. During the battles about segregation it was Republican states that had all the riots. Why...... because they wanted to keep things the way they were. You know , with first and second class citizens.

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Are you sure it wasn't because the Democrat mayors had their police forces stand down and allow the riots to go on?

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Not 'for some reason'. The reason was because Republican states are happy with the status quo. Democratic states don't want the same old same old, and want change in how unfairly 'some' people are treated. During the battles about segregation it was Republican states that had all the riots. Why...... because they wanted to keep things the way they were. You know , with first and second class citizens, to be decided by the colour of your skin.

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Are you sure it wasn't because the Democrat mayors had their police forces stand down and allow the riots to go on?

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No he is talking about the civil rights movement in the 60's. But he has it backwards. The Republicans were against segregation and the Jim Crow laws in the south.

President Johnson only signed the reforms into law, because as he said " I'll have those N#$$÷=@ voting Democrat forever. "

Looks like it worked for a while.

Sorry but please explain the riots that were mainly in the south. They were Republican strongholds all, and remain so to this day..

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Sorry the riots were mainly in the south. Republican strongholds all.

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Going to need to see some facts to back that statement up because I think it's wrong. Don't forget to talk about Atlanta, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis....all run by democrats.

Just looked this up. It's an older article but relevant to the start of the riots.

https://www.nj.com/news/2020/05/thes...yds-death.html


Here are all the cities listed in this article and the political affiliation of the mayor

Atlanta D
Bakersfield R
Boston D
Chicago D
Columbus D
Dallas D
Des Moines D
Denver D
Detroit D
DC D
Houston D
Los Angeles D
Louisville D
Memphis D
Minneapolis D
New York D
Phoenix D
Portland D
Sacramento D
San Jose D

I was still talking about the segregation riots of the 50-60's Those were republicans who were rioting in southern states to keep the status quo, of first and second class. citizens.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I was still talking about the segregation riots of the 50-60's Those were republicans who were rioting in southern states to keep the status quo, of first and second class. citizens.

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Snowwalker is right in his previous post. You have that backwards, the KKK was the militant wing of the Democratic party.

When you go back and actually look at it instead of just listening to what the democrats say today, you will find the Democrats were the racists. Take a good look at Woodrow Wilson (D)

My original statement still stands that Liberal and Democrat strongholds are turned into s**tholes because of their policies.

To bring it back around, that's why truckers are getting paid more to deliver to these places because they aren't safe.

I would say that truckers being paid extra didn't come from the goodness of the hearts of their employers concerned with safety. A more likely reason is people refusing to do the work prompting incentive to make it worth the risk.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I was still talking about the segregation riots of the 50-60's Those were republicans who were rioting in southern states to keep the status quo, of first and second class. citizens.

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You are calling the people that marched in the civil rights movement rioters?

The ones that marched and were beaten and shot rioters?

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Originally Posted by dean.f

I would say that truckers being paid extra didn't come from the goodness of the hearts of their employers concerned with safety. A more likely reason is people refusing to do the work prompting incentive to make it worth the risk.

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I never meant it to seem other wise.

I did two drops this morning..got two bonuses, and got out of Philadelphia by noon. My second drop was the next block over from where they had been protesting and rioting two weeks ago.

I noticed some may think it was offered and compared it to police, who have no choice in the matter of where they are dispatched as they are under oath to serve and protect. (Maybe they could apply to a different department?)

If enough truckers say no then companies have to do what it takes to stay in business. Good Drivers are hard to find.

I say if they are willing to pay, good on you for being willing to accept.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

You are calling the people that marched in the civil rights movement rioters?

The ones that marched and were beaten and shot rioters?

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Facts are only meant to be twisted by liberal trolls. And for as long as it keeps generating responses he will keep it up. I'm a big fan of the ignore button in his case.

But there are those that still want to take.........

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cit...emic-1.5686395


How about waive my fishing license fee, my hunting license fee, hell even my truck plate fee? If they cannot afford the $600 to become a Canadian citizen why do we need them in Canada?

Just an update on the extra freight charges...

Taking a load of insulation into Denver.

The building material company is paying a surcharge of $2530.

How much of that do I get?
Let's just say I am buying a welder and chop saw....

Just had friend that priced out 4’x4’. Piece of finished on both sides 1/2” plywood. $80.00. That’s crazy so basically a whole sheet likely 80 bucks so is that shipped in a inclosed trailer + freight

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Just had friend that priced out 4’x4’. Piece of finished on both sides 1/2” plywood. $80.00. That’s crazy so basically a whole sheet likely 80 bucks so is that shipped in a inclosed trailer + freight

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The surcharge on the insulation just add $48.65US to the price of each bundle.

2x4 studs are 5.45 + at homedepot, luckily I had a lot of used stock to build our tree stands.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

Just had friend that priced out 4’x4’. Piece of finished on both sides 1/2” plywood. $80.00. That’s crazy so basically a whole sheet likely 80 bucks so is that shipped in a inclosed trailer + freight

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I think if I had a major project to build my first stop would be to find a band saw mill or someone who had one.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

I think if I had a major project to build my first stop would be to find a band saw mill or someone who had one.

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That would get you the wood..
But nails, screws, insulation and everything else going to be hard to find. It's not priority freight..

Any more hurricanes in the Texas to Florida area and any building materials destined for Canada will be turned around and headed south. I'm amazed we can buy shingles around here when its hurricane season in the gulf.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

I think if I had a major project to build my first stop would be to find a band saw mill or someone who had one.

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Unless you live in a unorganized area, you can’t build with rough lumber which isn't graded (stamped). Building inspector won’t approve it.