Bear bait placement law for those unaware....

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September 8th, 2020, 11:56 PM
MihajloSimsic

Bear bait placement law for those unaware....

The MNR thought it'd be funny to not mention this as a change to their law on bait placement. They place a "new" highlight on all the other changes in regulation, both in the section that pertains to the animal and on the introduction. This change is that baits must be placed 30m from a road/right of way instead of the 200m last year (still 500m for buildings and 400m for dumps). They did however remember to mention the changes in restrictions for bear hunting in zones 82A, 83 and 84. You could say I found this out the sweaty/hard way.
September 9th, 2020, 09:38 AM
cb750

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

The MNR thought it'd be funny to not mention this as a change to their law on bait placement. They place a "new" highlight on all the other changes in regulation, both in the section that pertains to the animal and on the introduction. This change is that baits must be placed 30m from a road/right of way instead of the 200m last year (still 500m for buildings and 400m for dumps). They did however remember to mention the changes in restrictions for bear hunting in zones 82A, 83 and 84. You could say I found this out the sweaty/hard way.

Yeah so did I man. Everytime I go to rebait I walk past a couple spots at the 50m mark that I would have preferred. Although I went up last weekend and despite being 1km away from a building if they are partying all long weekend at that building....the bears ain't showing up in daylight anyhow. I hope you have better luck than I. A lot of work went into getting some trail cam pics that's about it. Lol
September 9th, 2020, 11:08 AM
trimmer21

Bait placement is clearly written on pg.79 of the Black Bear section in this year's issue of The Summary.
September 9th, 2020, 02:16 PM
MihajloSimsic

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Bait placement is clearly written on pg.79 of the Black Bear section in this year's issue of The Summary.

The issue isn't that it's not written down. The issue is that they are supposed to highlight all new regulations, which they do. You can't expect people to notice a change in a fine-print number, especially when the MNR basically says "nothing new here, move along". They have to highlight changes in regulation.
September 9th, 2020, 03:02 PM
Bushmoose

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

The issue isn't that it's not written down. The issue is that they are supposed to highlight all new regulations, which they do. You can't expect people to notice a change in a fine-print number, especially when the MNR basically says "nothing new here, move along". They have to highlight changes in regulation.

This change has been talked about for awhile now? I think it's actually old news for quite a few people. Most certainly, it's up to the hunter to familiarise themselves with any and all regulations pertaining to the species they are hunting? Kinda goes without saying in the hunting fraternity.
September 9th, 2020, 07:32 PM
shedherder

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

This change has been talked about for awhile now? I think it's actually old news for quite a few people. Most certainly, it's up to the hunter to familiarise themselves with any and all regulations pertaining to the species they are hunting? Kinda goes without saying in the hunting fraternity.

Yes , anyone that hunts bear and follows the regs has seen this. Having a bow that shoots a 100 yards why go so deep? More intersested , if our deer have been baited in chatham on the crown piece?
September 9th, 2020, 08:43 PM
gbk

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

The issue isn't that it's not written down. The issue is that they are supposed to highlight all new regulations, which they do. You can't expect people to notice a change in a fine-print number, especially when the MNR basically says "nothing new here, move along". They have to highlight changes in regulation.

The Regulation does not hide any info .No fine prints either.
There is a clear chapter in it about this: Black bear-Black bear hunting regulations-Bait placement.
All on the same page.All titles bold letters.

Not sure what else MNRF would need to do ,to make this info more accessible?
September 12th, 2020, 02:30 AM
MihajloSimsic

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Originally Posted by shedherder

Yes , anyone that hunts bear and follows the regs has seen this. Having a bow that shoots a 100 yards why go so deep? More intersested , if our deer have been baited in chatham on the crown piece?

I don't see how that has anything to do with bear baiting. Looks like I have a fan though! I'm flattered that my posts take up so many of your thoughts but I'm not very interested in your opinionated dogmatic views, apologies.
September 12th, 2020, 02:34 AM
MihajloSimsic

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Originally Posted by gbk

The Regulation does not hide any info .No fine prints either.
There is a clear chapter in it about this: Black bear-Black bear hunting regulations-Bait placement.
All on the same page.All titles bold letters.

Not sure what else MNRF would need to do ,to make this info more accessible?

It's not that it's not accessible. When the MNR states that new regulations will be highlighted, and something is not highlighted it's not unreasonable to assume that there's nothing new in that section. Basically someone saying "on my mark" without ever actually saying "go". I'd prefer that they don't highlight new regulations at all if they wont highlight all new regulations. Just a pet peeve if I'm being honest.
September 12th, 2020, 07:06 AM
bellerivercrossbowhunter

They changed this rule last season. Old news... lol
September 12th, 2020, 08:41 AM
MikePal

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

This change has been talked about for awhile now? I think it's actually old news for quite a few people. Most certainly, it's up to the hunter to familiarise themselves with any and all regulations pertaining to the species they are hunting? Kinda goes without saying in the hunting fraternity.

I wonder if the courts will throw out the charge because the rule wasn't highlighted that year HaHa...
September 29th, 2020, 02:59 PM
Gilroy

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

The issue isn't that it's not written down. The issue is that they are supposed to highlight all new regulations, which they do. You can't expect people to notice a change in a fine-print number, especially when the MNR basically says "nothing new here, move along". They have to highlight changes in regulation.

Your 100% right.
September 29th, 2020, 07:07 PM
greatwhite

So my best friend up near Bissett Creek was out hiking along the powerlines which is also a skidoo and ATV road it's posted for skidooing. He was wondering if they were allowed to bait right beside the road as there were 3 bait stands only a few meters off the road. Based on this I would say they are not suppose to bait. Is he right based on the third bullet? He doesn't hunt bears and after running into one last hike he is now considering buying a license so he can carry his gun while hunting.

During the spring and fall black bear seasons, bait may not be placed for the purpose of bear hunting:
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within 500 metres of a dwelling, unless written permission is obtained from the owner of the dwelling
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within 500 metres of a public building
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within 30 metres of a right of way for public vehicular traffic or a sign posted/marked recreational trail that is established and maintained by an organization for the general public.
September 29th, 2020, 08:43 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

So my best friend up near Bissett Creek was out hiking along the powerlines which is also a skidoo and ATV road it's posted for skidooing. He was wondering if they were allowed to bait right beside the road as there were 3 bait stands only a few meters off the road. Based on this I would say they are not suppose to bait. Is he right based on the third bullet? He doesn't hunt bears and after running into one last hike he is now considering buying a license so he can carry his gun while hunting.

During the spring and fall black bear seasons, bait may not be placed for the purpose of bear hunting:
•
within 500 metres of a dwelling, unless written permission is obtained from the owner of the dwelling
•
within 500 metres of a public building
•
within 30 metres of a right of way for public vehicular traffic or a sign posted/marked recreational trail that is established and maintained by an organization for the general public.

If the trail is NOT maintained by an organization,then,yes,it's 100% legal.
September 29th, 2020, 09:02 PM
greatwhite

Does a maintained skidoo trail count.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

If the trail is NOT maintained by an organization,then,yes,it's 100% legal.
September 30th, 2020, 08:35 AM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Does a maintained skidoo trail count.

Apparently from how it was explained to me,trails only become "maintained" when they're groomed by snow cats after they're open for use. Legally,I'm not sure how a court would rule on a viable trail during the off season. Common sense would dictate that they are NOT.
September 30th, 2020, 02:11 PM
MihajloSimsic

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Apparently from how it was explained to me,trails only become "maintained" when they're groomed by snow cats after they're open for use. Legally,I'm not sure how a court would rule on a viable trail during the off season. Common sense would dictate that they are NOT.

If we want to get into technicalities then it's not a maintained trail for the duration of the bear season. I personally don't bait too close to snowmobile/ATV trails as there's usually traffic from ATVs or pressure from other hunters. I'll usually stick to overgrown trails or bushwacking for at least 50m.
September 30th, 2020, 02:14 PM
trimmer21

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Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic

If we want to get into technicalities then it's not a maintained trail for the duration of the bear season. I personally don't bait too close to snowmobile/ATV trails as there's usually traffic from ATVs or pressure from other hunters. I'll usually stick to overgrown trails or bushwacking for at least 50m.

That would certainly be the prudent thing to do,regardless. Better safe than sorry.

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