Covid-19 precautions and deer camp/ group hunting

I just started deer hunting 5 years ago and hunt with a group who have been hunting my place and adjoins farms for years. Two thirds of the guys are Amish so we often travel together in one or two vehicles. We usually start the day with coffee and planning the days hunting at a room in a drive shed. All of this companionship is one of the main reasons that I hunt with this group. This room is also used for eating lunch and for butchering the deer on the Friday.
If all Covid-19 precautions and protocols are followed much of what we usually do cannot be done safely.
with this in mind, I am going to change the plan this year and not hunt with this group. I will be hunting with a smaller group that would hunt my place and the adjoining farm, so no travel would be required. Anyone coming to hunt my place would have to follow proper social distancing protocols. I am not concerned about what happens when we are outside, just when we are indoors. With the new group this would not be an issue.
We want to continue seeing my daughter, husband and her daughter And to keep our contact group as small as possible.

How are others dealing with this?

I have no belief that if one guy is sick all of us wont get sick in the confined quarters of our camp

But only 5 of us and very few cases currently in our local area so still a go at this point but we are all prepared for a last minute cancellation

My favourite time of year but if we take a year off to ensure we’re all safe so be it

Don’t want every year to be the anniversary of the year we lost some of our best friends

I told my guys to do a Covid check on themselves before getting in the car to come to the camp. If you are good ... come on down but if you aren't "STAY THE F@*k AT HOME !" . Mind you I only have 4 guys instead of 5 this year to contend with. My brother hunts with a gang in the December Controlled Hunt and they number between 10 to 16 guys. I'm glad I'm not in charge of that hunt.

Our group usually has 12 to 13 guys. Just not worth taking a chance.

John thats a really smart move.
i have no qualms with guys outside but its the camps i worry about. alot of "hunting" is just community. a great thing but i suspect alot of germs are passed around this year as in other years. plus, guys will be refusing to stay home if they are sick. I know i was sick as a dog when i shot my first deer. I was alone mind you but with how people lose their minds to get a deer to begin with, not surprising people throwing caution to the wind.

We had a camp work day last week...not a mask insight and not a word about the virus was spoken...I guess it's a non-issue HaHa..

Well I think one rule will be no sitting in another’s blind. We have two per person or more

This year I don’t want spend morn in one afternoon in another if someone else has been there

I wonder if Purell is an attractant ??? Haha..

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Originally Posted by MikePal

We had a camp work day last week...not a mask insight and not a word about the virus was spoken...I guess it's a non-issue HaHa..

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And that sort of behaviour is why there was the largest number of positive results reported for Ontario today. You can deny it all you want but it’s out there just waiting for people to stop doing what they should do.

Here is a link fir the current results for Ontario
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

this screenshot show the actual number of deaths, people hospitalized, in ICU and in ICU on ventilators. 3,000 people dead out of 69,000 positive results. Convince me there is no problem.

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

And that sort of behaviour is why there was the largest number of positive results reported for Ontario today. You can deny it all you want but it’s out there just waiting for people to stop doing what they should do.

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why not get everyone to go for a covid test or youre not allowed to come?

you can get a test and get your results fairly quickly now..?

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

Our group usually has 12 to 13 guys. Just not worth taking a chance.

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We've taken a pass this year,too. Most of our members live in "high incident" areas ( GTA and Ottawa region). Besides,our area had an 80% reduction in tag allocation. It just ain't worth it.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

why not get everyone to go for a covid test or youre not allowed to come?

you can get a test and get your results fairly quickly now..?

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The big bugaboo with that is that testing really doesn't mean jack squat. We could test negative today and get positive tomorrow. Too much emphasis is being attached to testing. What is NEVER reported is how many tests are actually "false positive" because the potential is there to change the narrative.

I get tested every 2 weeks so I can help Mom and Dad who are in a retirement home so I know that I have never have had it. I will get tested just before heading up North and will do mostly stands this year. Not to sure how we will do clean up, ware masks I guess and space out in the barn. This years end of season Gang photo might have to be taken in panorama mode.

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

And that sort of behaviour is why there was the largest number of positive results reported for Ontario today. You can deny it all you want but it’s out there just waiting for people to stop doing what they should do.

Here is a link fir the current results for Ontario
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

this screenshot show the actual number of deaths, people hospitalized, in ICU and in ICU on ventilators. 3,000 people dead out of 69,000 positive results. Convince me there is no problem.

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So some quick math......
Under 20 6,894 positive 1 death = 0.000145 death rate....
20-29 yrs 14,299 positive 4 deaths= 0.000279 death rate....
30-39 yrs 10,738 Positive 7 deaths= 0.000651 death rate.....
40-49 yrs 9,508 Positive 27 deaths=0.002839 death rate.....
50-59 10,258 Positive 102 deaths=0.009943 death rate....
60-69 6,686 Positive 283 deaths=0.042327 death rate....
70-79 3,829 Positive 543 deaths=0.141812 death rate....
80-89 4,262 Positive 1,122 deaths=0.263256 death rate....
90-99 2,844 Positive 997 deaths=0.350562 death rate....

So if I did my math right, the death rate for young people is very low, most of the deaths are coming from seniors+

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

We've taken a pass this year,too. Most of our members live in "high incident" areas ( GTA and Ottawa region). Besides,our area had an 80% reduction in tag allocation. It just ain't worth it.



The big bugaboo with that is that testing really doesn't mean jack squat. We could test negative today and get positive tomorrow. Too much emphasis is being attached to testing. What is NEVER reported is how many tests are actually "false positive" because the potential is there to change the narrative.

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but they will tell you if they think its a false negative or false positive, my girlfriend had to take one for work related purposes and they gave her a positive result, next day she got a call back saying it may be a false positive so you have to come back and take a new test. just an experience i know of anyways.

you can also buy one of the quick temperature checkers to check people everyday, just another thing that comes to mind.

if you dont trust the people you're hunting with to follow covid rules then i guess its a different story.

i understand what you guys are saying 100% and do recognize the issues/ concerns.

luckily the group we were part of broke off, its now just 3 of us and we are all related but one of us is in another household so the risk is very minimal.

Hope you get out for some bow hunting at least trimmer

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Originally Posted by fratri

So some quick math......
Under 20 6,894 positive 1 death = 0.000145 death rate....
20-29 yrs 14,299 positive 4 deaths= 0.000279 death rate....
30-39 yrs 10,738 Positive 7 deaths= 0.000651 death rate.....
40-49 yrs 9,508 Positive 27 deaths=0.002839 death rate.....
50-59 10,258 Positive 102 deaths=0.009943 death rate....
60-69 6,686 Positive 283 deaths=0.042327 death rate....
70-79 3,829 Positive 543 deaths=0.141812 death rate....
80-89 4,262 Positive 1,122 deaths=0.263256 death rate....
90-99 2,844 Positive 997 deaths=0.350562 death rate....

So if I did my math right, the death rate for young people is very low, most of the deaths are coming from seniors+

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The death rate is 3,000 for 69,000 cases or 4.34% in Ontario so far. The other concern is the number of people hospitalized and the number who have been released but are still suffering from long term conditions from Covid.
I would hazard a guess that many of the people hunting are within the high risk senior ages. I’m 63 and in very good health But others are not so lucky.

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Originally Posted by troutperch

I get tested every 2 weeks so I can help Mom and Dad who are in a retirement home so I know that I have never have had it. I will get tested just before heading up North and will do mostly stands this year. Not to sure how we will do clean up, ware masks I guess and space out in the barn. This years end of season Gang photo might have to be taken in panorama mode.

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If someone has a drone get them to bring it for a group shot.

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

And that sort of behaviour is why there was the largest number of positive results reported for Ontario today. You can deny it all you want but it’s out there just waiting for people to stop doing what they should do.

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You sure about that? BC has not had any mask policies from the start and the virus never spread hardly at all, the numbers didn't rise much, so masks had zero effect.
Denmark is another country that has had kids in school since May, no masks and no huge spikes in cases.
Common sense is more important than wearing masks.
Increased testing means more positives. Why were they only doing 10,000 tests in June, and 50,000 now?

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

And that sort of behaviour is why there was the largest number of positive results reported for Ontario today. You can deny it all you want but it’s out there just waiting for people to stop doing what they should do.

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I stats below show you why the behavior around here is not one of hysteria and why it's NOT a huge threat to the area.

For Local Leeds Grenville: population of 70,000 people. There has only been 426 cases ....that represent .61% of the population has been affected.

since Mar...only 46 were Hospitalized..Only 6 were in ICU. There were 52 deaths and 94% (49) of those were in LTC..

Today there is only 1 patient in a Hospital..only 1 in ICU.

The 2nd wave that is dominating the news is statistically NOT happening here..the virus has never affected more than 1% of the total population and people quit frankly have stopped being hysterical about it. Very few people wear masks anywhere but where is mandatory.

No one denies that it's out there...but take a look at the numbers in relation to the population to get an accurate look at what is really going on. When there's a 'spike' of 50% increase of cases....and in reality represents an increase from 2 to 3 patients, it's hard to get excited.

from: https://healthunit.org/covid-19-surveillance/

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I stats below show you why the behavior around here is to not one of hysteria and why it's NOT a huge threat to the area.

For Local Leeds Grenville: population of 70,000 people. There has only been 426 cases ....that represent .61% of the population has been affected.

since Mar...only 46 were Hospitalized..Only 6 were in ICU. There were 52 deaths and 94% (49) of those were in LTC..

Today there is only 1 patient in a Hospital..only 1 in ICU.

The 2nd wave that is dominating the news is statistically NOT happening here..the virus has never affected more than 1% of the total population and people quit frankly have stopped being hysterical about it. Very few people wear masks anywhere but where is mandatory.

No one denies that it's out there...but take a look at the numbers in relation to the population to get an accurate look at what is really going on. When there's a 'spike' of 50% increase of cases....and in reality represents an increase from 2 to 3 patients, it's hard to get excited.

from: https://healthunit.org/covid-19-surveillance/

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Regardless of what you say, this is still a nasty and terrible virus and one you should want to avoid as much as possible. People try to trivialize it by using statistics but statistics is not going to make it go away. You or your family member don't want to be on the wrong side of these statistics, no matter how small that number is.

Because of this perceived low statistical risk, people are justifying not following the rules, with the result that the virus is surging even more.

If EVERYONE just followed the simple rules which include social distancing and washing your hands as a way of life for now, we'd be over this thing a lot faster. But people are simply not following the rules because it does not affect them and they could not care less about everybody else.

Enjoy hunting, but follow the rules told to us by our doctors and experts almost on a daily basis!

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I stats below show you why the behavior around here is not one of hysteria and why it's NOT a huge threat to the area.

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For Local Leeds Grenville: population of 70,000 people. There has only been 426 cases ....that represent .61% of the population has been affected.

since Mar...only 46 were Hospitalized..Only 6 were in ICU. There were 52 deaths and 94% (49) of those were in LTC..

Today there is only 1 patient in a Hospital..only 1 in ICU.

The 2nd wave that is dominating the news is statistically NOT happening here..the virus has never affected more than 1% of the total population and people quit frankly have stopped being hysterical about it. Very few people wear masks anywhere but where is mandatory.

No one denies that it's out there...but take a look at the numbers in relation to the population to get an accurate look at what is really going on. When there's a 'spike' of 50% increase of cases....and in reality represents an increase from 2 to 3 patients, it's hard to get excited.

from: https://healthunit.org/covid-19-surveillance/

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Nor sure where you are getting your numbers but there has been a spike in cases in B.C. see screen shot and link for details. Currently there are areas with low numbers but thus can change quickly.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-23-1.5774774
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Well said. Do what you can to limit the spread and help everyone.

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

If EVERYONE just followed the simple rules of social distancing and washing your hands as a way of life for now, we'd be over this thing a lot faster. But people are not following the rules.

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I didn't say no one in the area isn't following the 'rules' of social distancing and wearing masks when required. That doesn't stop the local guys for loosely gathering in small groups in parking lots to chat without masks or for guys working outside from not wearing masks. Since the risk is low here , there is no need to shut down these activities while observing cautions.

I hate being sick, I do what I can (get flu shot) to avoid the annual H1N1 flu that kills many of the same people that Covid also kills. Yet annually less than 40% of the population get that vaccine. The H1N1 kills about 1,800 people every year in Ontario. Covid has killed 3,000. This 'pandemic'', in the bigger picture. isn't killing off that many more people. So why the hysteria over Covid...because the media/politicians have blown the threat way out of proportion. This is why the stats are important..they don't lie. In most areas , less than 1% of the population is being affected by Covid and most of them are immunocompromised seniors in LTC facilities.

Why have they shut down the economy, why are people losing everything, why is the country going into such deep debt ?

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

Well said. Do what you can to limit the spread and help everyone.

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I agree ..if your sick stay home...if your kids are sick keep them home, if you know someone is sick don't go near them. If you go into public places,wear a mask, wash your hands when you go in and wash your hands when you leave.

But ask yourself...why are restaurants that are doing everything the have been asked to do, being closed when there is no data to support that they are places where the virus is being spread ? Why are they locking down businesses that are doing their part. ?

Taxpayers are paying the rent for businesses now so they won't close and add to the EI rolls that are also paid for by the taxpayer....where will this end..where is all that money going to come from?

We are, as a society, going to have to learn how to live with this virus. It's not going away. It ridiculous to think that having a vaccine will solve the problem when we have less than 40% of the population voluntarily getting a vaccine for a flu that kills people now.

As much as it's feared, people will have to get sick and then get better...the human body will create the anti bodies. Trying to prevent every Canadian from getting sick is a really a naively stupid idea. We need to combat this with 'herd immunity' .

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Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely. As a result, the whole community becomes protected — not just those who are immune.

Often, a percentage of the population must be capable of getting a disease in order for it to spread. This is called a threshold proportion. If the proportion of the population that is immune to the disease is greater than this threshold, the spread of the disease will decline. This is known as the herd immunity threshold.

What percentage of a community needs to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity? It varies from disease to disease. The more contagious a disease is, the greater the proportion of the population that needs to be immune to the disease to stop its spread. For example, the measles is a highly contagious illness. It's estimated that 94% of the population must be immune to interrupt the chain of transmission.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Why have they shut down the economy, why are people losing everything, why is the country going into such deep debt ?

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Especially when our health experts are now advising against shutdowns..

Even with a vaccine it will take a few years to even become effective. A vaccine will only do so much it doesn't work instantly. There are many people that will not get it including myself. Prove to me is effective and safe first yeah that will take a few years.

People will eventually turn against the shut downs we are already seeing this. The media is only making it worse and people will Rebell against it and eventually stop listening to what they say. It's just our nature in us . When you have nothing left to loose then what? No one will care riots will start and more buildings will burn.

I am another that will only wear a mask when I have too. I do not wear it at work. Even inside the building as by law I do not need to. I work outside we have a warehouse that is large enough to space out. Besides there is only max 5 people in this building in a busy day this season. Our business is closed to the public appointment only . The office manager and owners will wear a mask when the public is in the building during their appointment.

Why would I wear a mask into a building that is closed to the public ? I am the one that unlocks the door and I lock the door behind me I have worked with one other person all season we have plenty of room in side to social distancing. I am only inside briefly to get my paperwork for the day. Maybe a few minutes to get a couple things from inside. The majority of the work is done outside of the building.

Do I really need to wear a mask? Besides the mask I wear does little to prevent me from getting sick. I am not going to purchase medical grade mask at my disposal . Won't happen I have about 6 cloth face covers.

I don't even wash it daily weekly only [emoji28]

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Originally Posted by JMatthews

The death rate is 3,000 for 69,000 cases or 4.34% in Ontario so far. The other concern is the number of people hospitalized and the number who have been released but are still suffering from long term conditions from Covid.
I would hazard a guess that many of the people hunting are within the high risk senior ages. I’m 63 and in very good health But others are not so lucky.

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If we just look at numbers in one particular way......Then the US is ahead of Canada with only a 2.6% death rate..... Stats, you got to love......

No extra precautions at our camp. If someone has it, we're all getting it. Just 6 of us who are in fairly close contact anyway (family and co-workers). If someone feels sick before next week, they don't come. If someone starts to feel sick in camp, they go home.

As long as people are still piling into TTC buses and going to bars, restaurants and gyms, I sure won't be giving up my week in deer camp.

Sorry, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that a half dozen guys in a deer camp are spreading the virus any more than it's being spread in workplaces or malls or anywhere else.

People seem to be forgetting that at the beginning of all this we were told that 70% of the world will be infected with this virus eventually. It isn't going away.


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Originally Posted by GW11

Sorry, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that a half dozen guys in a deer camp are spreading the virus any more than it's being spread in workplaces or malls or anywhere else.


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I might have missed it, but was anyone here trying to convince you of that?

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Originally Posted by FishHog

I might have missed it, but was anyone here trying to convince you of that?

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General tone of the thread? Maybe you didn't read it...

Seems to be two trains of thought here, one group thinks deer camps are part of the problem while the other doesn't really see it as a problem.

We've had few announcements from local rural politicians advising against hunt camps and advising for "day trips only". Getting a bit tired of listening to it actually.

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A Hunter with any forethought should have gone out 2 weeks ago and kissed a Covid patient. Got sick, quarantined for 14 days and then come out of it in time to head to camp.

They should get lapel pins made up: "I Survived Covid" so you can see who is not affected ..that's the guy you hang with at camp. HaHa..

For the people who want to hide-out at home, could one of you's please tell the rest of us one thing?
What is it your waiting for?

Not much changing at our camp. Roughly 7-11 guys, all family already in each others bubbles. All camp members live in really low infection rate areas. Are we dismissing the severity of the virus ? NO Are we living in fear of the virus ? NO We all understand the risks and who is in the greatest risks group.

Stats are stats, they can be used to support either side of an eight sided argument, but I agree that the media certainly has taken this and ran with it. Is it serious ? YES Is it as serious as the media portrays it to be ? NO in the spring/early summer the Ont Govt. had a hard time getting us to 20,000 tests a day. Now we have greatly surpassed that number. Yes positive results have increased, but not at the rate that testing has increased. Majority of deaths came from elderly & LTC homes, most of which would have been just as susceptible to the Flu, Pneumonia etc as they were to COVID. Many even had DNR's on file, given that there was treatment that could have saved many, they chose not to, media didn't report that fact either.

Working in an industry that often gets reported on in the media, what I see and read is taken with a grain of salt, in essence it has become no more than politicized entertainment.

Had a deer camp meeting today. I'm the youngest at 34. Other guys are 60, 65, 72 and 75. We all live in the same small town, all from farming families. Not one word about covid was mentioned, seen some good deer sign its business as usual for us next week, Cant wait!

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

For the people who want to hide-out at home, could one of you's please tell the rest of us one thing?
What is it your waiting for?

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A vaccine. Prior to that though a huge uptick in the curve this winter that will convince skeptics that this Covid virus is much more contagious and serious than the standard flu.

I'm all for living your life as normal as possible but where possible abide by the three basic prevention measures. I don't see wearing a mask as an infringement on anybodies personal freedoms. This virus won't be gone for years so wearing a mask in many situations will become the norm.

DanO, a vaccine is a pipe dream.
Considering other parts of our country as well as other countries are not wearing masks and not having problems with community spread of the virus, why should masks be the norm.?

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

DanO, a vaccine is a pipe dream.
Considering other parts of our country as well as other countries are not wearing masks and not having problems with community spread of the virus, why should masks be the norm.?

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Hey by all means don't wear a mask and let us know what happens.

The whole point of wearing a mask is so you don't spread germs to anyone else, and get anyone else sick.

I'm not sure why everyone is going crazy because they can't go out for dinner or whatever the fact is.

You might get a laugh from this one. Attachment 40996

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

Hey by all means don't wear a mask and let us know what happens.
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I haven't wore a mask from the start, nobody was wearing masks for the first few months, the numbers never increased drastically.
So just letting you know what happened, nothing more happened with or without them.

Guys and gals - I think that this virus is easy to avoid if you follow the simple health authorities rules and make a few sacrifices which include staying away from high risk activities like bar/club hopping, wild school parties/ other large gatherings, restaurants (yes- they have the data to back up that these are high risk areas), gyms (the one in Hamilton resulted in 80 or more infections ), and the like.

If any of your group members/social bubble members fits the above high risk lifestyle, then my advice is to politely ask them to stay at home/or go by themselves or if not, you go by yourself.

There is no reason that we need to stop hunting because of this dreaded virus, but admittedly, cannot be as carefree as in the past.

To mask or not to mask ... is that really the question ?
Tis it not nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous government demands or to take up arms against a sea of naysayers.
And by opposing end them ?
To die ... to sleep............................................. ............................................... no more; and to sleep to say we end.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

Hey by all means don't wear a mask and let us know what happens.

The whole point of wearing a mask is so you don't spread germs to anyone else, and get anyone else sick.

I'm not sure why everyone is going crazy because they can't go out for dinner or whatever the fact is.

You might get a laugh from this one. Attachment 40996

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I am not going crazy because I cant go out for dinner. I'm going crazy because the government has forced my restaurant owning neighbor to spend his retirement savings on keeping his business floating when I know he is going top loose everything in the end.

It's really easy for those of us who are financially "comfortable" with homes we own and carry very little or no debt and have investment income/pensions that (hopefully) continue uninterrupted to sit back and find fault,condemn and assign blame. We must,however,put ourselves in other people's places who are now unemployed,facing mountains of expenses with no means to cover the expense or business owners who face collapse from arbitrary shutdowns knowing their business will never survive,close and be gone forever. The vast majority face financial disaster and even homelessness in the not to distant future if we allow hysteria,skewed stats and political agendas to needlessly destroy our economy. There must be a balance. Collapsing the national economy definitely isn't it.

First; I apologize to the "Bard" for bastardizing his fine words.
Second; The original question was about deer camps and Covid precautions... was it not ?
Third; If you want to whine about our government or the way things are being handled there is an "Off Topic Forum" with lots of that going on.
Finally; I wish everyone a safe and bountiful hunt !

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Originally Posted by GuyJR

I am not going crazy because I cant go out for dinner. I'm going crazy because the government has forced my restaurant owning neighbor to spend his retirement savings on keeping his business floating when I know he is going top loose everything in the end.

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im sorry to hear that, i didnt mean it towards restaurant/ business owners, more towards the general public who cant just stay home if they dont need to go out, i know multiple people who are just hanging out with large groups of friends everyday with no care in the world towards this virus.

again im sorry about your neighbor and anyone else whos going through something like that, apologizes if i came off like that GuyJR

So couple buddies myself had breakfast at Resturant close by owner was telling us group of 15 moose hunters got charge for not social distancing 15 under one roof hunt camp . $750 each max was 5-6 were they are

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

more towards the general public who cant just stay home if they dont need to go out,

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I go out once or twice a week to have breakfast with a friend. The restaurant likes our business and we enjoy some socializing in a safe environment. It's been open for a few months. You sign in when you enter so they can contact you if in any patron later tests positive. So far no calls.

Staying at home is killing small businesses, they have gone out of their way and invested huge sums to keep the customers safe. No reason to stay at home as long as you use common sense and follow the rules. The overall risk is low.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

So couple buddies myself had breakfast at Resturant close by owner was telling us group of 15 moose hunters got charge for not social distancing 15 under one roof hunt camp . $750 each max was 5-6 were they are

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Wouldn't that suck !! But yea, flaunting the rules will cost ya.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Wouldn't that suck !! But yea, flaunting the rules will cost ya.

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She was saying here it’s a 5 person limit unless family. Are November ML group is 6 in my shop same time Mnr can hit us for $750 each. Man they better watch themselves.

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Originally Posted by js4fn

She was saying here it’s a 5 person limit unless family. Are November ML group is 6 in my shop same time Mnr can hit us for $750 each. Man they better watch themselves.

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I think it's still indoor gatherings of 10 or under and outdoor 25 or under. So any camp of 10 or under isn't breaking gathering size laws.

The guys with 15, yeah. Lucky the "host" didn't get dinged for 10 grand.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Staying at home is killing small businesses, they have gone out of their way and invested huge sums to keep the customers safe. No reason to stay at home as long as you use common sense and follow the rules. The overall risk is low.

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No one asked for this pandemic, so I am not going to be guilted as if its my fault. This has affected all of us and our families in so many ways - we are all suffering.

Until I see solid stats that either justifies or disproves the mandated restaurant closures (which I hope they will share soon), with all due respect, your statement about the overall risk being low is just your opinion, not a fact. Until then, I am of the camp that wants to err on the side of caution and follow the advice of health authorities and doctors.

I feel really bad for SOME small businesses that have been affected, but again I disagree that they are all doing bad. Try and get a contractor to do some renovations at your house - they are all so busy that they will not come for months. There are many more examples where their business is booming.

Anyways, why don't we stick to hunting? I am going no matter what ! LOL

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I go out once or twice a week to have breakfast with a friend. The restaurant likes our business and we enjoy some socializing in a safe environment. It's been open for a few months. You sign in when you enter so they can contact you if in any patron later tests positive. So far no calls.

Staying at home is killing small businesses, they have gone out of their way and invested huge sums to keep the customers safe. No reason to stay at home as long as you use common sense and follow the rules. The overall risk is low.

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i get that mike, ive actually been ordering delivery when im at work, not to mention ive always been a stay at home kinda guy i never enjoyed going into restaurants but i do see what you are saying.

K so put BLM on blaze orange hats. Your covered for holding a peaceful protest :) Piss of

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Originally Posted by js4fn

K so put BLM on blaze orange hats. Your covered for holding a peaceful protest :) Piss of

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While sleeping...... under the same roof? You must have a wild camp. Glad you protested , even if it was peaceful.

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

, with all due respect, your statement about the overall risk being low is just your opinion, not a fact.

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I agree, risk can be subjective, but in a township of 170,000 people in an area that is 6,500 sq/km there are only 19 active cases. That represents .01% of the population. You would have to agree that the risk is low.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I go out once or twice a week to have breakfast with a friend. The restaurant likes our business and we enjoy some socializing in a safe environment. It's been open for a few months. You sign in when you enter so they can contact you if in any patron later tests positive. So far no calls.

Staying at home is killing small businesses, they have gone out of their way and invested huge sums to keep the customers safe. No reason to stay at home as long as you use common sense and follow the rules. The overall risk is low.

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Indeed. People need to just stop watching the news and think for themselves. If everyone wants to stay home expect economic callapse.

Don't think many 'want' to stay at home, most would rather be out, whether it be out working, or spending. My going out to a place that is already closed, is not going to prevent any inevitable collapse. The provincial Conservative government says it it is forbidden to go to most places that I want to attend, to spend my money..