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What would be the Moose population in Ontario if nobody... would .. hunt ... Moose ...?
Moose would be hunted only by Wolfs and Bears ?
Would the Moose population go up or down or would be at some Natural ... Level ...?
Who would the Forum blame then ...?
I'm sure the population would climb some, for sure. Until vehicular traffic and increased predators caught up and took numbers down.
The bigger questions would be, what would happen if we didn't kill calves? Or! What would happen to the population if bear and wolf numbers were put back in check?
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Without hunting,animal populations will increase in the short term,but,drop substantially shortly after the initial surge through habitat over feeding,heavier predation and more importantly,without conservation techniques employed by the hunting industry through funding of license and permit sales attached to it. From decades of experience,we know without a shred of doubt that government priorities will never include funding for conservation,save lip service and smoke and mirrors with no real commitment. That's why lobbying efforts are so vitally important to keep governmental feet to the fire because all they understand is money and votes,both of which go hand-in-hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Sadly about the same. The natives would shoot more... lol
Lol I had a buddy who was brought up through a native reserve. Idk all the rules over there as I think he was in BC? I'm not even sure tbh but the stories he use to tell me about the natives was a little nuts hahah [emoji28]Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
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well if NOBODY hunted moose - including unregulated hunters, the population would increase dramatically in time until a balance is struck between predators and food available.
My opinion is that hunting is the number 1 cause of decline in populations, especially by unregulated hunters who don't have to follow any harvest quota rules or other hunting rules.
Never going to happen sadly.
Your question is too broad, in the far north there would not be much change, in areas close to highly populated areas the population would go up and match the carrying capacity of the terrain, which would vary depending on the area. You would see moose move further into southern Ontario and feast on the farmers fields.
I'm good with that [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] be a nice sight to see anyways hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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You are someway Right .
The Moose population would climb up to certain level ... also the predators number would increase , and the predators hunting the weakest the calfs ... So Bears... Wolfs... Cougars... will manage the Moose population
( forget the MNR forget the First nation forget the Calf hunting hunters .. for a moment ...)
So the Moose population will be managed natural way , will go up will go down ... NATURALLY...
So if we want to help The Moose population Let start hunting the predators ,
lets go hunting Bears Wolfs , so if wolfs number will go down the moose population will go up .
And let stop this nonsense , blaming ...
let do something useful , lets hunting predators what is not easy ...
but that is hunting to , and require plenty of skill and dedication ...
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Originally Posted by oaknut
Remember the Buffalo story. We can bring the Moose back if we try.
The Bison: from 30 million to 325 (1884) to 500,000 (today)!!!
They also slaughtered them by thousands tho .Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
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There is a natural control of moose populations in southern areas of the province that has nothing to do with hunting. This is the brainworm that will kill moose, but has less drastic effects on white-tailed deer. So where the population ranges of these species start to overlap moose survival is compromised.
What would the moose population be if we kept hunting them but decommissioned the majority of trails and logging roads in Ontario’s wilderness Areas and closed the majority of Ontario’s crown land to motorized vehicles?
Forestry planting trees on the logging roads to ,
some roads are grown in and becoming wilderness again .
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Originally Posted by outdoorlife
I know in our area of 42, there are somewhat large tracts of land that go largely unhunted due to access and the moose appear to be doing very well. Lots of cows, lots of calves. The bulls don't show themselves too much, but we know they're there.
Anyone remember Isle Royal? A somewhat perfect example of the natural fluctuation between moose/wolves/habitat without hunting. The issue as it compares to most of mainland Ontario is here the wolves always have something to fall back on when moose numbers aren't quite there. Be it deer (I never heard of whitetails on Royal, so I am assuming there were not), livestock, etc.
imagine the idiots that thought a cow was a calf and all them stories didnt happen.
Guy this year in my area shot a bull thinking it was a god dam cow, like honestly the stupidity of these kinds of hunters are just as bad as all the other poaching and stuff, got a 300 dollar fine have a nice day.
cheap fine for someone that's trigger happy.
That could happen quite easily. Before the advent of ATV's,the only way to access prime Moose habitat was by watercraft,by snowmobile after freeze up or on foot. Populations closely matched the carrying capacity of the area. Easy accessibility hasn't done us or Moose population any favors. Couple that with disasterous revenue-driven Moose management tag allocation policies,it's not rocket science to see the net result. OMNRF always stated that management techniques were "science-based",but,when politics entered the picture,everything "science-based" quickly went out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlife
I thought our government took the science based facts pretty serious [emoji23].Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Or is that just another lie our pm moisly spits out of his mouth [emoji23] because we are in a pandemic [emoji849]
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T, I never believed tag allocation was ever revenue driven because the total revenue generated from moose license sales would barely keep the lights on for a year in most district offices. I do believe however the allocations had to do with pressure from lobbyists such as hunters organizations, tourist operators, etc who demanded more tag availability and then ran off to their local representative MP for support.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Too, there was an era just prior to Atvs where VW dune buggies were everywhere and I often wonder if these machines were what created the demand for a trike type bush machine. But I agree with you that dune buggies and subsequently atvs were the start of declining moose populations and that all happened in a very few short years.
Couple that with the many style of R.V's and numerous gadgets that allowed the hardy to lounge in slippers and house coats while eating their breaky, catching up on the news via satellite dish, before striking off into the wilderness in search of their quarry?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
as well as bovine diseases wiping out more than what settlers were able to shoot. ive done some looking into the history of the bison as i hope to farm them someday as a pipe dream. big surprise to me was that some say it turns out our modern bison are somewhat bovine as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
i wonder what would happen if we were able to genetically engineer moose too :P