Now what? It breaks the 495fps mark, and an electric motor cocks it for you. Think it will be allowed in Ontario "bow" season? Requiring a PAL?
https://ravincrossbows.com/
https://youtu.be/5wtIKA7y84Y
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Now what? It breaks the 495fps mark, and an electric motor cocks it for you. Think it will be allowed in Ontario "bow" season? Requiring a PAL?
https://ravincrossbows.com/
https://youtu.be/5wtIKA7y84Y
Cool.... I think I am getting one of those heat seeking arrows that will be coming out soon, That way I can shoot it from the comfort of my backyard saving me the hassle of entering the bush....
Oh, maybe something even easier...Uber eats, why leave the comfort of my home :)
I think we're a year or 2 away from the remote trigger feature. That's going to be incorporated into the next version of cellular trailcam apps. When you decide which animal you'd like to shoot, just hit 'add to cart' and the xbow will take care of the restQuote:
Originally Posted by fratri
Good one ;);););););););););)and some will fight tooth to nails stating that is still ethical hunting-if they can make the shot, make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
That bow will be upwards of $4000.00cdn!
I'll keep my Scorpyd Deathstslker and buy a new Sako rifle instead! Lol
Well, it fires a bolt and is over the minimum size requirements, so it will be allowed in the Ontario bow season. It is also a bow and not a gun, so therefore it will not require a PAL.
Crossbows are already mention in the FA. They were included to require a firearms licence to possess. Those sections were just not enacted. It wouldn’t take much, especially this government, to enact those sections...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Its a slippery slope in terms of technology advancement and what will be legal in bow season and will this move these higher FPS into gun seasons, etc that has me a bit worried..
Realistically though, my zone is a one tag area, if my neighbor shoots a buck on his place with one of these what do I care, my season goes on and I do as I wish hunting the next farm over, so it really doesnt affect me..
$ 3,500.00 us , I think not.
Does not look like a slippery slope to me. We allow high powered scopes on rifles. We allow rifled barrels and optics for shotgun and optics for muzzle loader hunts. It is still an arrow being fired down range, it is still a short range tool, yes longer range than a long bow but if you say no to this then an argument could be made to now allow crossbows, compound bows, sights, etc. Those are all technological advancements that make filling your tag easier. It should be more ethical to use a faster bow, less chance to clip it within the same standard bow range.Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
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Originally Posted by fratri
I was thinking of opening Uber hunts. You get the tags and the spots, I’ll fill the tags while you relax at home. Lol
I will beat a coffee you will need a PAL for this one since it has hit the magic number and fires a projectile
Stupid!
Should not be allowed in the bow season. Bow hunting and our bow hunting seasons are soon going to be ruined by all this crap!
You wanna, bow hunt? Learn how to hunt and get close.
It’s still not a firearm ........(here we go again ) !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by overtheir
So no sights and traditional gear only?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
In terms of compactness and speed? Looks like a great crossbow. But 10lbs is ridiculous. Also $4400 Canadian? What a completely ridiculous price, what morons at Ravin came up with that number? Crossbows shouldn't need a crank in the first place but now we have an Electric crank?! I can't imagine that being reliable or quiet at all...
The competition (scorpyd nemesis) is only 20fps slower and HALF the price... I'm sure it's more reliable too.
If you're going to hike in to a stand and sit all day, I don't think the 10 lbs is a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MihajloSimsic
@ 500 ft /sec, sound is less of an issue, and once you have the sound of an normal excal, given a deer's hearing - I don't think this will matter.
$CAD 4400 - well - that's a bit of a deal breaker. But I'd spend 4400 on this before I spent 2200 on the excal double-barrel.
Do they have any trajectory charts for it for example - sighted in @30 mid-range trajectory and drop at 40, 50, 60?
No learn how to bow hunt.
There are two types. The first one will ask how far was the shot. The second will ask how close was the shot. The first one is a shooter and the second a hunter.
You guys are only trying to make the bow season into another rifle season because no one is willing to take the time and effort to learn how to hunt. You sit over your 100 pounds of corn trying to shoot at something 100 yards away. Yeah that takes lots of skill and woodsmanship.
Eventually it'll ruin the season for others.
And I'm not anti crossbow. I bought my son a Mag 340 for Christmas. We have two other older crossbows as well.
JEff you are just one big baby that generalizes about crossbow hunters into one blanket statement, you are dividing hunters and are in no way good for the sport - I brought this up in another thread but you continue to carry on and generalize again and again...im glad you hunt with a recurve I one day aspire to be as good as you sir, but in the meantime I will use my lowly 300 FPS excalibur crossbow, scout my tail off, and aim to harvest a mature buck within 20-30 yards on public or heavily pressured private land. Fact is I dont know a single crossbow hunter who sets up covering trails over 20-30 yards (way too much can wrong, branches, deflections, deer moving, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
My sincere apologies for using a crossbow I know it leaves you butt-hurt, forgive me, I will do my best to get a compound to appease you I just need $1.2 mil to afford that 1 acre property where I can practise daily to be efficient at using a compound... instead of my current postage sized stamp backyard.
please continue with your snobby generalized aniti-crossbow comments they are doing wonders to grow our hunting numbers.. once we get out numbered by the anti's and all public land is only open for birdwatching and hunting season closed you can hang your hat on your recurve knowing you helped hammer a nail into the anti's agenda..nice work clown
So you don't want it to be allowed bit the 340fps one is allowed. Just because it shoots flatter or faster means it will be used for longer ranges. In the same situation nothing says that someone shooting a recurve will not take a shot at a deer at 60 yards and wound it, or take a shot with no sights at 15 yards and miss the vitals and stick an arrow in the ham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
I work at a bow shop. I sell crossbows, compounds, etc.
I have no problem with what ever weapon someone wishes to use. As I mentioned above, I bought my son a mag 340 for Christmas to go along with a couple older ones we already have. We have compounds as well. Have lots of various types of firearms also. Love them all.
What I do get absolutely sick and tired of is hearing, on a daily basis I might add, crossbow hunters telling me about their exploits. In other words, irresponsible shots on deer they couldn't recover or deer they shot under because they misjusdged the distance as it turned out to be 70 yards instead of 50. And they talk about as if they're bragging. It's disgusting! It's unethical and bad for hunting.
I'm not dividing our community, I'm trying to stand up for it!
The bow hunting season isn't just a week long because bow hunting is hard. But here you have people constantly trying to diminish it by creating bows and trying to shoot farther and farther. You wanna shoot farther, hunt in the rifle season.
All this new technology does is create more and more situations for people to abuse the game we chase.
The majority of people who buy crossbows don't shoot enough. They don't even shoot a dozen arrows a year. How do I know? I ask them. So they sight their bows in and go hunt. Then they try and take a 60 yard shot on a deer. Absolutely rediculous. That's like if I buy a Sako with a Leopold scope, sight it in for a 100 yards at the range with a box of shells and them try and shoot a deer at 300. That would be stupid, yet I hear about the same thing happening with these new crossbow all the time. It's not uncommon for someone to come into the shop and say, "yeah, I'm interested in a Ravin because I hear you can shoot a deer at a 100 yards.
Again, learn how to hunt!!!
When did it become expected that hunter has to succeed and kill something when ever they go out?
That expectation is what it's turning into now. No one is willing to take the time to learn how to hunt, learn how to call, etc.
I see this in turkey hunting. That's why they're making 3 1/2" magnum double full choke shotguns and ammunition companies trying to sell farther, longer shooting shells. Now you get people trying to shoot turkeys out to 80 yards. That's rediculous. They don't wanna put in any effort to learn how to call birds because that's too much work. Why do that when they can just shoot farther. I dread the day when they make electronic calls legal for turkey hunting because I know a lot of people will be lined up to buy them.
That's why you get sky busters waterfowling. They don't take the time to learn how to set up a decoy spread or call.
Same thing with rifle hunters buying a crossbow. Bow hunting is an entirely different animal than rifle hunting. Most guys buy a crossbow and sit in the same blind they do in rifle season and would love to be able to shoot just as far.
Lazy people!
You have a much more positive outlook than I do. haha. Maybe if you're neighbor(s) had less technological advantages, success rates would be lower, and you're zone might not only be a "one tag area"? Maybe if advances continue, you're zone might not even guarantee a tag in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
My opinions on this stuff will always be on the unpopular side of LIMITING technology, rather than continuously advancing our advantage over game. It's nothing to due with ethics for me. Ethics and opinion should be left out of wildlife management (example: grizzly bear hunting in BC). It's the numbers that should dictate policy. When I see more advantages for the modern day hunter, I picture an increase in success rates. Followed by loss in hunting opportunity, tag reductions, etc. Maybe not right away, but slowly. Or maybe it's so minor it won't make a difference?
Every year when draw results are posted, there's complaints that people didn't manage to draw an antlerless tag. Well, should we consider limiting some advantages over wildlife to offset that?
Sometimes I can't help but wonder what success rates and tag allocation numbers would look like if someone flipped a switch and aligned our wildlife management regs overnight with say.... Alberta. No baiting. No party hunting/tag sharing(very abused here in Ontario). No xbows in bow season(without a doctors note or being a certain age). Would it be better? or worse? Would archery clubs thrive and fill up with those looking to pick up the craft? Or would hunters leave the sport altogether?
You ask a very fair question and I get where youre coming from - personally I think we'd lose alot of hunters if we input Alberta bow only type rules (Alberta also has much longer firearms season and much more game to pursue) but thats just what I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
What good is an archery club for me if I can only go there once a week to practise and to me thats not enough time to fling arrows to be proficient to hunting with.
If we want to grow hunting we are going to gain ground in the adult onset hunters and a crossbow is a great tool to start. I WANT new hunters to succeed and fill their tags - just like any hobby or sport - we all aim to get better and "learn to hunt better, golf better, skate faster, etc so I think naturally you will find many progress to compound bows as they evolve or perhaps even the trad bow. .that will happen but if you knock on crossbows you will only get a fraction of that new hunter into the sport - they'll just take up golf or play cabelas hunter on Xbox and wish they could hunt.
Technological advances arent just coming at us in the form of crossbows..mondern compounds are super fast too, advancing trail cam technology.... careful how much we gripe about fast crossbows are getting because the next thing you know lumenocks or cell cams could start to get banned, who knows.
I have mentored about 1 hunter per season for a few years now and not one is looking for a long bomb 60 yard shot with a crossbow, theyve all been guys (and gals) who can scratch together $400 bucks buy a used Excal Phoenix or vortex (under my recommendation) and sit within 30 yards of a deer trail to harvest their first deer.
Gone are the days where we all have an uncle with a farm, dad that hunts, and are taught archery for gym class in high school..hate to say it but its reality and thats why I think the crossbow is a great tool to get new hunters into the sport (yes I think a 350 FPS crossbow is more than enough and would be happy if thats all they were but I dont think knocking all crossbow users as a blanket statement gets us hunters anywhere)
I started hunting this spring. My pal didn't show up in time for turkey season so I had to use my sons crossbow. After sighting it in I was practicing a lot of 35 and 40 yard shots planning on setting my decoys up at the 30 yd. mark. I had some questions and posted on this board. One thing that stuck with me was a response from Jeff, he suggested setting them up at 15yds. He said if they are going to come in they are going to come in. Well I hunted 5 days a week sitting there listening to shot guns going off all around me and watching Toms strutting back and forth 60 to 70yds away week after week. All the time wishing I had a 12g with a Turkey choke and some Winchester long beard shells. But I didn't so I kept watching learning and getting closer. Got rid of the big blind and started using natural cover. Slowly getting closer to my game. Two mornings in a row I had hens walk by within a few feet and never new I was there. Shortly after a Black bear came up from behind walked beside me 18ft away and didn't know I was there until he was right in front of me. They following week I finally called one in and Jeff was right when they decide to come they come, all the way in to my decoys at 15yds. The point of all this is, it took me to the last week of the season to fill both tags but I leaned a lot more and it made me a better hunter. If Id had a shotgun it would have been over the first week or two and I wouldn't have learned nearly as much. Dear season went the same way. Had dear 50 to 100 yds. away. But learned how to get closer and closer as the season went on. Never did get my dear but was able to get close enough with the bow,(30yds) just didn't have a good shot. Again if I'd had a 200yrd gun It would have been over early and I wouldn't have learned as much.
My point is: maybe all this technology is actually doing us a disservice. Just a thought.
A big congrats Wake. That's what I'm talking about!
I hunt with a crossbow and don't care what others think!! :)
The same people youre talking about, that take shots they shouldnt be taking with a crossbow, they have a hunting license, and I'm sure they have other means of hunting with besides their crossbow, and I'm sure theyre still taking shots at game with what ever they have in their hands that day that they shouldnt be taking, so lets here some rifle, muzzleloader and shotgun stories to go with the crossbow storiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh
I am the same, my choice , why make anything harder than you have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfDemwNQwEA&feature=emb_logoQuote:
Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
I'll admit crossbows aren't really my thing (right now), but I have to say that the level of R+D and pushing technology beyond the norm would definitely have me looking at Ravin if I was to ever be looking. Just the width alone would make it an easy sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedinoro
And yet, no one would believe me that I got my deer with a cheap RTH Cabelas x-bow at 129$ and I could not be happier....Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
I did feel at times the need for faster and greater range bow, but the satisfaction of getting on your hard worked target at close range.....oh man, priceless. I prefer to invest in my skills, not my tools
Don't get me wrong, I love the new features, but there's no way in hell I'd ever send 4K on a bow, not even 1K to be honest
I shoot a cheap RTH compound and didn't fill my tag (but learned a ton, suffered a bit), I'm not a big believer that spending dollars gives you much advantage. Learning with the tool you have is the key. I didn't even notice the price of that thing 4k is a bit rich for my wallet!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedinoro
Amen to that brother !Quote:
Originally Posted by dean.f
It took me 3 years to get my 1st deer (dec 31st this year) 15 minutes before last legal shooting time, but each time I was a step closer.....and closer until I finally connected the dots
I've had great help from this forum, plenty of kind fellow hunters sharing their hard earned knowledge, and the only thing that I never blamed for my "un-success" was by xbow
I knew the range, speed, noise and I practiced often with the proper broadheads, and now I think I'll stay with this bow until it breaks
Good luck and don't ever stop learning!
Down to the wire. Congrats!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikedinoro
awesome man, hats off to youQuote:
Originally Posted by mikedinoro
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Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by kokes
Absolutely agree
This crossbow will be perfect for the guys using the trail cams that alerts you that there's a deer coming.
I don't see anything wrong with a 500 fps crossbow (or a cellular trail camera). Technological advancements are part of hunting, or we'd all still be using rocks and clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by fieldtrip