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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    It is a much more interesting topic than an AR that shoots a rebated .45-70.
    The toughest part of using a long straight rimless case is the headspace, with that much powder things want to stretch and you are literally headspacing on the case length itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    Agreed.
    If it wasn't for USA we might be under Japanese rule.
    The only reason Japan didn't invade USA main land was a known fact about America, "there's a gun behind every blade of grass".
    The reason the UK did not fall and NA did not experience a large scale invasion (there were axis powers in NA, Newfoundland and Alaska) was simply the water. Dieppe and D-Day proved how difficult it was to mount an invasion on to a defended coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    The reason the UK did not fall and NA did not experience a large scale invasion (there were axis powers in NA, Newfoundland and Alaska) was simply the water. Dieppe and D-Day proved how difficult it was to mount an invasion on to a defended coast.
    Yup. Geography and logistics are why the Japanese never seriously entertained invading mainland North America not some gun nut myth about a "rifle behind every blade of grass."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    Yup. Geography and logistics are why the Japanese never seriously entertained invading mainland North America not some gun nut myth about a "rifle behind every blade of grass."
    Just like the Conspiracy kooks that claim Covid-19 came from a lab in Wuhan?...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    Yup. Geography and logistics are why the Japanese never seriously entertained invading mainland North America not some gun nut myth about a "rifle behind every blade of grass."
    Spin it any way you want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by impact View Post
    Spin it any way you want.
    Yamamoto's "sleeping giant" is verified. There is no evidence however of him making the "rifle behind every blade of grass." It is a fake quote spread around by gun nuts who live under the delusion that they and their trusty Winchester could repel an invading army.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

    Advocates of gun rights often argue that in World War II Japan was deterred from invading the U.S. mainland by a fear of American citizens with guns in their closets. They frequently quote Japanís Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto as saying: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

    But this quote is unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japanís wartime fleet ever saying it.

    We make no argument either for or against gun ownership. But we do object to fabricating quotes and passing them off as historical fact.

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    Badenoch....lmfao
    Last edited by canadaman30; March 26th, 2021 at 09:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    The reason the UK did not fall and NA did not experience a large scale invasion (there were axis powers in NA, Newfoundland and Alaska) was simply the water. Dieppe and D-Day proved how difficult it was to mount an invasion on to a defended coast.
    Dieppe showed alot of things, the raid (most likely to try and capture an Enigma machine present at the Harbour office in the town) showed how vulnerable troops are when the cliffs haven't been cleared by shells or bombs and heavy vehicles on the wrong type of beach material are stuck and how hard a nut a defended port is to crack.

    D-Day showed improvements learned from Dieppe (like Hobarts funnies) but issues like dropping the floating tanks too far out (they flooded and sank mostly) and a variety of others caused issues but the main reason it wasn't crushed was that the German's had been misled to where the invasion was to be. They went so far as having 2X the recon flights over the wrong location, a fake Army with vehicles (inflatable and wood) etc. all to mislead the Germans into delaying their response to allow the Allies to get a foot hold.


    The US invasion by Japan was talked about once a long time ago in something I watched but I don't recall the show, the report may or may not ever have been seen by Yamamoto, it may have been written after his death even (intelligence figured out his flight and sent P-38 fighters). The report by the Japanese Army or Navy intelligence ?? listed the geography, distances, population and firearms was mentioned as a consideration since there was a population with them and capable of using them. When you look at it, the distance would make it almost impossible, the geography (Mountains, desert, large rivers) would make it almost impossible, the size of the population you would try to control, very hard and throw on the fact you'd have to disarm each house almost and someone would be snipping off your troops constantly... the US was never a reasonable target. One of thousands of "what if" intelligence reports likely. They probably had one for Canada too but a more serious plan seemed to be Australia, it on the other hand was in the same hemisphere, had a much smaller population and Japan was already at war with.

    A sniper isn't spray and pray, it is one shot, one dead and disappear to shoot again later. Snipers quite often hit way outside their actual number count since they slow advances, take out specific targets and can hugely demoralize attacking troops. The snipers in Finland shooting Russians and the Russians shooting Germans have examples that show 1 sniper not just killing afew but hundreds of opposing troops. There is the old joke about Switzerland, Hitler asked the President how many troops he had, the President replied 500,000 in active service, Hitler asked what would you do if I sent a million man army to invade, the President replied "tell each man to shoot twice".
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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    Missouri GOP Representative: Japan Didn't Invade U.S. in ...
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/150227

    Badenoch....lmfao
    Did you read the entire article? It makes the point that the Japanese decision not to invade the North American landmass had nothing to do with a "rifle behind every blade of grass." As it was the Japanese could barely hold on to a couple of tiny Aleutian islands.

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    Gun advocates in the US have invented all kinds of myths that are repeated time and again by people eager to believe. Another one is that Hitler systematically disarmed the German people to take control. Truth is, gun control loosened slightly under Hitler and lots of Germans owned firearms.

    Japan never wanted to invade the US. They wanted total control of East Asia. The attack on Hawaii was meant to disable the US navy and dissuade them from intervening. They knocked out the battleships, but missed the aircraft carrier. By then, battleships were not really as dangerous as they once were because fighting had evolved to air power. The Japanese sank the British battleship Prince of Wales and the battle cruiser Repulse with airplanes as soon as they sailed into range.

    wow...I am WAY off topic
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