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    2213 Bias Non-Plastic shot cup and steel shot for the shotgun.

    Looks like an interesting change.... if they eventually get it right. Thoughts?




    I dislike steel for waterfowl hunting... period. If I am going to go through the time, effort, money etc. it ain't gonna be steel I will buy, I will use up what I have but not buy new unless I have a good reason, I haven't thought of yet. The shot cup seems very inconsistent but it is like a beta version of software, money and time and motivation and they might get it right.
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    This looks good to me since I already have a hate on for single use,non-biodegradable plastics........plastic water bottles being at the very top of my hate list,although, as noted,patterning could be problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    Looks like an interesting change.... if they eventually get it right. Thoughts?




    I dislike steel for waterfowl hunting... period. If I am going to go through the time, effort, money etc. it ain't gonna be steel I will buy, I will use up what I have but not buy new unless I have a good reason, I haven't thought of yet. The shot cup seems very inconsistent but it is like a beta version of software, money and time and motivation and they might get it right.
    Interesting. However, I reload, my version of a non-plastic shot cup for steel in the 10 Gauge, is a 12 Gauge paper shot case. I load the empty shot case with shot, place a top wad over the shot, seal the case with a roll crimp, cut round the case above the case head. Dump the shot, and you have an unslit non-plastic shot sleeve, which you can split as you choose. The process works just as well with plastic shot cases. The real problem with steel is getting the shot spread for close in shots, I found out that thin plastic over-shot wads can be used to divide the shot column up into two to three section, and instead of having a pattern of steel shot at 20 yds that covers a 12 inch pattern circle, you get a 24 inch pattern circle, with plenty of kill out to 40 yds. The barrels on my double are both full choke. If you are shooting a 12 Gauge, 16 Gauge cases can provide you with shot sleeves using the same approach. You can use the above method to spread shot when using commercial produce shot collars

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    This looks good to me since I already have a hate on for single use,non-biodegradable plastics........plastic water bottles being at the very top of my hate list,although, as noted,patterning could be problematic.
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    The amount of wads floating at the boat launch drives me a bit nuts.

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    I had seen somewhere they had developed a bio-degradable plastic wad (again, from over the pond). Would work better with no-tox, as I don't think a fiber wad would enable the velocities that are wanted.
    The plastic version breaks down when wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    I dislike steel for waterfowl hunting... period. If I am going to go through the time, effort, money etc. it ain't gonna be steel I will buy, I will use up what I have but not buy new unless I have a good reason, I haven't thought of yet.
    How come you dislike steel shot for waterfowl hunting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprite View Post
    How come you dislike steel shot for waterfowl hunting?

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    Well If you are old enough to remember use of lead shot for duck hunting and then forced to use steel you wouldn't need to ask that question. When I use to reload lead shells when legal for waterfowl a ounce and a half of #5 in a 2 3/4 shell would knock down any duck or goose that decoyed. Nowadays when I go I use hevi-bismuth 3" ounce and 3/8 #4 do the trick rather nice. Bismuth being 97% dense as lead I don't really notice any difference in that and lead. Steel shot will never be brought along on my boat as it is total shyte and as far as I'm concerned if a person buys steel a fool and his money are easily parted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigboy 304 View Post
    Well If you are old enough to remember use of lead shot for duck hunting and then forced to use steel you wouldn't need to ask that question. When I use to reload lead shells when legal for waterfowl a ounce and a half of #5 in a 2 3/4 shell would knock down any duck or goose that decoyed. Nowadays when I go I use hevi-bismuth 3" ounce and 3/8 #4 do the trick rather nice. Bismuth being 97% dense I don't really notice any different in that and lead. Steel shot will never be brought along on my boat as it is total shyte and as far as I'm concerned if a person buys steel a fool and his money are easily parted.
    Ah come on..... everyone knows lead is the best, But I have zero trouble killing birds with steel over decoys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SongDog View Post
    Ah come on..... everyone knows lead is the best, But I have zero trouble killing birds with steel over decoys.

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    No argument from me their song dog, lead will always be KING!!! Steel vs bismuth I'll shoot the bismuth. If I was totally forced to shoot steel over the water I would give up waterfowling all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigboy 304 View Post
    Nowadays when I go I use hevi-bismuth 3" ounce and 3/8 #4 do the trick rather nice. Bismuth being 97% dense as lead I don't really notice any difference in that and lead. Steel shot will never be brought along on my boat as it is total shyte and as far as I'm concerned if a person buys steel a fool and his money are easily parted.
    I (and those I hunt with) seem to have no issues consistently folding up birds with both the 12 and 20 with steel shot. Thousands can attest. If you’re an occasional waterfowler, sure shoot the expensive stuff. But when you’re going through 4-5 cases a season that can get spendy real fast. If you’re having issues, choking is doubly important for steel compared to lead. Pick up a good aftermarket wad stripping choke (Patternmaster Long Ranges in all my guns), or tighten down to an IM. Learning to be patient and decoy birds in close and some time at the range also helps!

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