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    That presentation is very well done.......in America. Here,in Canada, storing any firearm unlocked and/or loaded is a crime. For some firearms,even storing ammo in close proximity can get us in real trouble. I notice he mentioned storing a double or single barrel broken open with shells in the barrel out of sight (closet shelf) was recommended. That's the kiss of death for kids because they're like magnets. No matter where you hide a gun,a kid(s) will find it. The presenter recommended locking them up,then,later in he video blew it out of the water with these comments. This illustrates,perfectly,the difference in the mindsets between Americans and Canadians. Thanks for posting,Joe.

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    Agree with You Trimmer-unless in a War Zone(or unless someone have a bounty on his head)why on the earth? someone would need to have a loaded gun in the house?
    Why ? ammo available in a split second or close by(in America)would not do the "self defence "availability purpose ? (in America)Why play with the fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    Agree with You Trimmer-unless in a War Zone(or unless someone have a bounty on his head)why on the earth? someone would need to have a loaded gun in the house?
    Why ? ammo available in a split second or close by(in America)would not do the "self defence "availability purpose ? (in America)Why play with the fire.
    Agreed, some places are rough but the Taliban aren’t knocking on the door yet. The risks of accidental shooting outweigh the need for a rapid tactical deployment in the living room…in my mind at least

    Shotgun at the front of the safe with buckshot in the door pocket is good enough for most
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    Agree with You Trimmer-unless in a War Zone(or unless someone have a bounty on his head)why on the earth? someone would need to have a loaded gun in the house?
    Why ? ammo available in a split second or close by(in America)would not do the "self defence "availability purpose ? (in America)Why play with the fire.
    Nothing wrong with having ammo close and accessible but you just have to have them locked up. My neighbour had a bear in his backyard a couple weeks ago, I have access to a rifle and charger clips ready to go in the event a bear tries to get to my animals but I also have them locked up in a cabinet.

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    You can temporarily leave a gun unlocked but not accessible to ammo for the purposes of predator control if you live in an area where it is legal to shoot.

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#h-1019943

    Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms
    5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

    (a) it is unloaded;

    (b) it is

    (i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

    (ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

    (iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

    (c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

    (2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

    (3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.
    The problem is the absence in the law of what "readily accessible" means. Is having rifle by the door and a magazine on the other side of the room acceptable? Would a little strong box with the ammo beside the rifle meet the standard of the regulations?

    The same applies with the definition of "remote wilderness area." To people in downtown Toronto that might mean anywhere without street lights. A person in Timmins would have a different interpretation.

    The problem with the safe storage regulations in Canada is they were written to cover every eventuality with no regard for differing circumstances. The current regulations make reasonable sense for a family with small children living in a city. They don't make much sense for a home in a rural area with no children where adult occupants are all PAL holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badenoch View Post
    You can temporarily leave a gun unlocked but not accessible to ammo for the purposes of predator control if you live in an area where it is legal to shoot.

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#h-1019943



    The problem is the absence in the law of what "readily accessible" means. Is having rifle by the door and a magazine on the other side of the room acceptable? Would a little strong box with the ammo beside the rifle meet the standard of the regulations?

    The same applies with the definition of "remote wilderness area." To people in downtown Toronto that might mean anywhere without street lights. A person in Timmins would have a different interpretation.

    The problem with the safe storage regulations in Canada is they were written to cover every eventuality with no regard for differing circumstances. The current regulations make reasonable sense for a family with small children living in a city. They don't make much sense for a home in a rural area with no children where adult occupants are all PAL holders.
    I was told that these sections were left deliberately obtuse for the Crown to prosecute each case according to individual circumstances of each case brought forward and for Judges to weigh those circumstances on their own merits. Whether or not the clauses are workable is certainly open to debate.

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    I guess if you are a female living alone and while sleeping you hear someone climbing into your bedroom window and your guns are locked up and you live in Canada it is going to be a rough night - if there is a home invasion by a couple thugs and you have time to reach the room where you have your gun locked but too late because a thug is chasing you and you live in Canada it is going to be a rough night - if a bear came into your yard and grabbed your small child and you go to run upstairs to get your gun out of the safe and then go into another room if get your ammo and you live in Canada you are going to have a rough day - if , if .....

    If you are a single woman living alone and while sleeping you see some guy climbing into your bedroom window and you live in the U.S. you grab the 9 MM you have on the night stand and start shooting then after the police carry the body away you go back to sleep - if there is a home invasion by a couple thugs while your watching TV and you live in the U.S you grab the shotgun you have leaning in the corner and blast a couple of thugs into the here after - If some bear comes into your yard and grabs your child playing there and you live in the U.S. you grab your gun from the cabinet over the refrigerator and proceed to dispatch the bear before major harm is done - if your going food shopping and while l sitting in your truck (Ford F350 4X4 super duty with a 5.4 Triton V8) some low live pulls out a gun and tries to steal you beloved truck you surprise him by pulling your own gun and sending into eternity - that is if you live in the U.S. - if, if .....

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    Canadians can have a legally stored shotgun loaded in a matter of seconds if they're smart about where they store stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GW11 View Post
    Canadians can have a legally stored shotgun loaded in a matter of seconds if they're smart about where they store stuff.

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    I agree.....and may or may not have practiced and timed myself...lol....it can take seconds
    This isn't a test run................Enjoy er'.......

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