Mandated Vaccines - The law - Read about your rights

[MikePal]

Is there a court decision to the contrary, one that rules firing a person for being unvaccinated is termination without cause? If so please post a link.

No one ( at least Federally) has lost their job yet...so no trial has been held yet...but you knew that right ??

The proposed 'Mandatory' mandate isn't to be in effect till Oct 23 ( I Believe) . By then we will have started the 'booster' campaign and we will all be back at square one until 80% have the booster shot.

August 13, 2021, the Government of Canada announced that it will require all federal public servants to be fully vaccinated as early as by the end of September 2021. In addition, the Government of Canada also announced its intention to require federally-regulated employees in the air, rail and marine sectors to be fully vaccinated by no later than the end of October 2021.

[LiveBates]

Crazy they're going to be giving boosters already.......how on earth are these poor immune systems suppose to ever fight off any other common viruses that they are 100% going to encounter in the future??????

[rick_iles]

I watched a program on TV regarding employee rights etc. Two labour lawyers said since providing a safe workplace trumps all else, vaccine mandates would hold up in court…..just saying’.

[Badenoch]

In a unionized environment (which in related threads you also attempt to be an expert), most termination cases where just cause cannot be proven by the company an arbitrator will award the employee their job back and a settlement for their missed time.

In the 8 terminations I've dealt with in the past 3 years, 7 were reinstated with no loss of benefits, seniority or pay.

No link needed to prove that you can't fire anyone for any reason depending on the severance. Keep trying to prove yourself as credible though, the entertainment is second to none.

No court has determined whether terminating an employee for not being vaccinated is just cause and anti-vaxxers in the health care system might not be able to depend on the union to defend them.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...818331687.html

SEIU Healthcare Supports Mandatory Vaccinations
Aug 19, 2021, 13:57 ET

Union representing 60,000 healthcare workers supports mandatory vaccinations as a matter of workplace and public safety

RICHMOND HILL, ON, Aug. 19, 2021 /CNW/ - Sharleen Stewart, president of SEIU Healthcare, issued the following statement in support of mandatory vaccinations for healthcare workers:

"Today, we're reaffirming our position communicated in recent interviews in support of mandatory vaccinations for healthcare workers.

Members of SEIU Healthcare have asked their union to fight for safe workplaces.

In a recent survey, a vast majority of our union members showed support for mandatory vaccinations as a matter of workplace safety.

They told us that vaccinations mean knowing you're protected and knowing that the person you're working shoulder to shoulder with is protecting you.

COVID-19 is a killer. The Delta variant is even more deadly. No senior should die because of this virus and not one more healthcare worker should lose their life simply because they went to work.

As soon as shots arrived in Canada, our union worked with educators, doctors, scientists, and researchers to provide the facts about these safe vaccines. We're proud of the 90-plus per cent of our members who have rolled up their sleeves.

The time has come to vaccinate every person on the frontline of care who can be vaccinated. Doing so helps protect people who cannot be vaccinated, like our young children and the immunocompromised. This is about protecting healthcare workers, as well as the most vulnerable.

SEIU Healthcare is unwavering in our commitment to the safety of our members. Our members have asked us to work with the government on a responsible health human resource strategy that includes clear mandatory vaccination policies and that's exactly what we're prepared to do.

The provincial government has a responsibility to protect the lives and livelihoods of every single healthcare worker who was there for us during the pandemic but is unable to get vaccinated for religious or medical reasons.

SEIU Healthcare represents more than 60,000 healthcare and community service workers across Ontario. The union's members work in hospitals, homecare, nursing and retirement homes, and community services throughout the province. www.seiuhealthcare.ca

[GW11]

No court has determined whether terminating an employee for not being vaccinated is just cause and anti-vaxxers in the health care system might not be able to depend on the union to defend them.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...818331687.html

You're going to see unions have to argue this both ways for awhile. In concept they are going to be on board with vaccines for all workers, but they're still going to have to defend the individual members who chose not to or otherwise can't be vaccinated. Suck and blow at the same time so to speak. Unions do it all the time.

Your post that I quoted is still false but you have since amended that statement to be specifically about termination due to vaccination status. We'll see how that plays out very soon.

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[fishfood]

Crazy they're going to be giving boosters already.......how on earth are these poor immune systems suppose to ever fight off any other common viruses that they are 100% going to encounter in the future??????

Boosters should be coming by September everyone else is by then. They will be needed every 8 months according to the USA . Biden said something about every 5 to 6 months. By next year I wouldn't be surprised if the elderly will be taking it every 6 months.

Waiting to see how the flu shots turn out after a covid shot. Maybe they will do them together.

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[LiveBates]

Boosters should be coming by September everyone else is by then. They will be needed every 8 months according to the USA . Biden said something about every 5 to 6 months. By next year I wouldn't be surprised if the elderly will be taking it every 6 months.

Waiting to see how the flu shots turn out after a covid shot. Maybe they will do them together.

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That's nuts ......Dr's and scientists have stated these shots are destroying people's immune systems....I still can't wrap my head around how they're getting away with this........its world wide immune system sabotage.....and people aren't listening to they're gut feeling that somethings not adding up....

[line052]

Again your information factually wrong. Paramed, Revera, Extenda Care, have stated only for new hires, would the requirements be included in contracts and union negotiations collective agreements. Secondly no will be forced (your wrong) to take leave of absence, instead those cannot will still require Pan Bio testing and shield and facemask requirements while working in the private industry. The same rules are currently being discussed at PS union levels, with Unions pushing secure, and confidential NON discloser of private medical conditions.

Why do you even bother

Lastly NO cannot fire anyone without just cause, and you can without just cause if like you state, and are willing to face a lawsuit. Lior Sampfoir is getting quite rich off people like and your thinking. You know he is an Employment Lawyer and does nothing else. Ya might want to educate yourself …

You keep driving the anti-vaxxer nonsense, like it is some kind of a badge of honor to use that word. It clear the media, the government and people like you...have no idea the damage you are doing to children under 12 who labelled anti-vax or and that feeling is real in the 8-12 yrs across Canada which 13% of Canadian population. and they asking why...but what do you care!!

Whatever mystery corporate info you've seen is contrary to blue chip Bay Street legal firms who are imposing mandatory vaccination and testing requirements for their employees.

Ontario's largest long term care companies have announced mandatory vaccination requirements for their staff and those who refuse will be put on unpaid leave. UHN in Toronto has committed to firing employees who refuse to get vaccinated. These are organizations that hire the best legal representatives as opposed to your mystery corporate info the source of which you have not revealed.

In Ontario you can fire anyone for anything. All you have to do is be prepared to pay appropriate severance and it's still an open question whether the courts would rule that firing anti-vaxxers in the interests of workplace safety would fall within the definition of termination with cause.

[MikePal]

I watched a program on TV regarding employee rights etc. Two labour lawyers said since providing a safe workplace trumps all else, vaccine mandates would hold up in court…..just saying’.

They have to prove the workplaces wasn't safe....if 80% are vaccinated and herd immunity in about 25% (statistically) of unvaccinated having recovered from the virus...the level of exposure doesn't warrant an 'unsafe' environment...just saying back at ya

[MikePal]

Waiting to see how the flu shots turn out after a covid shot. Maybe they will do them together.

The CEO of Moderna says the company is working on an Influenza and CoronVirus combo 'pill'....