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January 14th, 2022, 08:52 PM
#21

Originally Posted by
impact
X2 -instead of understanding Russia-and openly analyzing Ukraine, everyone and their brother jumps on -BAD Russians ,Good Ukrainians.
Not much understanding the :what and why-and even less critical thinking.
Yet-if the West would ever need an ally ,if China threatens ,Russia would happily be the one-but NO,we work hard to alienate them(pushing them towards China).
Russia is No Banana Republic, and definitely not a pushower. They have unified country(large one)very strong Army,proud nation,and a lot of populace. Nothing to ignore (at least if one thinks, he is a serious Politician).
Plus-Putin is definitely a strong leader -working for HIS Country(that is his job in the first place anyway),he will not let anyone walk all over Russia just because.
That is why many hate him.
Ukraine wants the West to do the dirty job for them.Sneaky.
ps-i am by far not Russian,and have some bad historical memory of them( thru my nation and my country of origin)but i also keep an open mind,and do not jump on bandwagon ,just because some wants me to do so.......
Last edited by gbk; January 14th, 2022 at 08:57 PM.
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January 14th, 2022 08:52 PM
# ADS
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January 14th, 2022, 09:34 PM
#22
Putin is going to do as he wishes.
Can’t say I blame him with NATO expanding right to Russia’s borders….picture a Russian-led alliance with troops stationed on the Mexican border
“You have enemies ? Good. It means you have stood up for something, sometime in your life”: Winston Churchill
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January 15th, 2022, 08:33 AM
#23

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
The west will never commit troops to The Ukraine. They'll just huff and puff and watch the Russians blow the house down.
We already have 250 Canadian troops on the ground that have been training the Ukrainians.
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January 15th, 2022, 08:33 AM
#24
Here is a good article from someone who actually met Putin years ago.
"Former JFK Aide: What The West Gets Wrong About Putin"
"Off the top of my head, I responded: “The absence of legally defined property rights — without those there is no basis for resolving disputes.”
“Ah yes,” he said, “in your system a dispute between businesses is resolved by attorneys paid by the hour representing each side, sometimes taking the dispute to the courts which normally takes months and accumulation of hourly attorney fees.”
“In Russia,” he continued, “disputes are usually resolved by common sense. If a dispute is about very significant money or property, then the two sides would typically send representatives to a dinner. Everyone attending arriving would be armed. Facing the possibility of a bloody, fatal outcome both sides always find a mutually agreeable solution. Fear provides the catalyst for common sense.”
"He used his argument in the context of disputes between sovereign nations. Solutions often require an element of fear of disproportionate responses if no deal is struck. The idea of forcing adversaries to face horrific alternatives seemed to excite him. In essence, he was describing to me the current Ukraine impasse between the US and Russia. Putin knows Russia cannot afford a prolonged ground war with Ukraine. He also can see Biden is facing crucial midterm elections with a domestic congressional impasse, and cannot afford a major foreign crisis distraction. The two sides have no choice but to strike a deal."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ng-about-putin
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January 15th, 2022, 08:49 AM
#25

Originally Posted by
impact
Here is a good article from someone who actually met Putin years ago.
"Former JFK Aide: What The West Gets Wrong About Putin"
"Off the top of my head, I responded: “The absence of legally defined property rights — without those there is no basis for resolving disputes.”
“Ah yes,” he said, “in your system a dispute between businesses is resolved by attorneys paid by the hour representing each side, sometimes taking the dispute to the courts which normally takes months and accumulation of hourly attorney fees.”
“In Russia,” he continued, “disputes are usually resolved by common sense. If a dispute is about very significant money or property, then the two sides would typically send representatives to a dinner. Everyone attending arriving would be armed. Facing the possibility of a bloody, fatal outcome both sides always find a mutually agreeable solution. Fear provides the catalyst for common sense.”
"He used his argument in the context of disputes between sovereign nations. Solutions often require an element of fear of disproportionate responses if no deal is struck. The idea of forcing adversaries to face horrific alternatives seemed to excite him. In essence, he was describing to me the current Ukraine impasse between the US and Russia. Putin knows Russia cannot afford a prolonged ground war with Ukraine. He also can see Biden is facing crucial midterm elections with a domestic congressional impasse, and cannot afford a major foreign crisis distraction. The two sides have no choice but to strike a deal."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ng-about-putin
If history has taught us anything a deal would be better than a war.
"Russia’s political top brass, including Vladimir Putin himself, appear to subscribe to this belief as well, and by all appearances it has directly informed their policy towards Ukraine. But as much as these assumptions may resonate with ordinary Russians, as well as some foreign leaders, a glance into Ukrainian history reveals that they are based on a dangerously distorted reading of the past. Ultimately, by redrawing borders and rewriting history the Kremlin is unlikely to have done itself a favor. Through its intervention in Ukraine it has galvanized most Ukrainians in their aversion to Russia and has thereby done a great deal to demarcate the perceived differences between Ukrainians and Russians more clearly than ever before."
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/0...inian-history/
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January 15th, 2022, 11:59 AM
#26

Originally Posted by
Gilroy
We already have 250 Canadian troops on the ground that have been training the Ukrainians.
True dat,but,we all know when the first column of Russian armor comes across the border,our people will be on the first flight out.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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January 15th, 2022, 02:42 PM
#27
Has too much time on their hands

Originally Posted by
73hunter
Putin is going to do as he wishes.
Can’t say I blame him with NATO expanding right to Russia’s borders….picture a Russian-led alliance with troops stationed on the Mexican border
Uh.... Cuba and Venezuela
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...of-global-tour
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world...uba_venezuela/
"According to publicly available air flight monitoring services, a Russian Tu-154M aircraft that most likely belongs to the FSB of Russia, was seen in Venezuela's and Cuba's airspace on January 9 and 10"
But they don't really need to but there are talk of bases in Cuba anyway...
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world...ian_submarine/
Russian nuclear submarine of the Borey project, which carries 16 Bulava ballistic missiles on board, unexpectedly appeared off the coast of the United States
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A submarine of this class is capable of destroying most of the territory of the United States of America in minutes.
Russian nuclear submarines will be able to constantly patrol the waters near the US coast in the event that Russia decides to build a naval base in Cuba or Venezuela, as representatives for the Russian Foreign Ministry earlier said

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
True dat,but,we all know when the first column of Russian armor comes across the border,our people will be on the first flight out.
... or directing traffic.
Can: What vehicle is that?
Rus: t-80
Can: Please take the longer route to avoid traps and you may damage the bridges here and here. Sorry for the delay. Welcome to the Ukraine, will you be going farther?
Rus: Not this month, Спасибо, хорошего дня, увидимся в Оттаве в 2030 году.
https://translate.google.ca/?sl=ru&tl=en
Last edited by mosquito; January 15th, 2022 at 02:47 PM.
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January 15th, 2022, 09:33 PM
#28
Any deal will favour Russian interests e.g. more territory and Ukraine is denied into NATO. For the west just avoiding conflict will be considered a win.
A true sportsman counts his achievements in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport. - S. Pope
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January 16th, 2022, 12:15 AM
#29
There's some serious shyte happening right now,globally,and in the western hemisphere largely considered the sole domain of the US. Russian military advisors are in Venezuala (SpetsNaz) and there's increased presence of Chinese "diplomats" in Panama and central America. If America isn't careful and the Democrats drop the ball with an exceedingly pathetically inept Biden administration,the Eagle is about to have it's feathers plucked.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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January 16th, 2022, 10:29 AM
#30
Has too much time on their hands

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
There's some serious shyte happening right now,globally,and in the western hemisphere largely considered the sole domain of the US. Russian military advisors are in Venezuala (SpetsNaz) and there's increased presence of Chinese "diplomats" in Panama and central America. If America isn't careful and the Democrats drop the ball with an exceedingly pathetically inept Biden administration,the Eagle is about to have it's feathers plucked.
The Eagle who's feathers the beaver has been kept warm by is a nice fat meal, oil, metals, diamonds, grains,....
https://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/...er_recipes.htm
or maybe we just don't know who our gov't is using as a shelter anymore.
https://rumble.com/vh35ph-exclusive-...ining-in-.html
same idea but sounds more appetizing,
Last edited by mosquito; January 16th, 2022 at 10:31 AM.