The Witness Mark

[Deer Hunter]

Great idea, I will do that next time out with ML.

[sharps4570]

Few years back, safety perspective, I drew the following for some inexperienced young guys in my hunt group who had acquired in-line MLs for the very first time.

Depending on rod length, I usually have either 1 or 2 marks (range rods tend to be longer).

Perhaps this may also be of some help for anyone here who may be thinking of getting an ML rifle .....

[ET1]

I have the ramrods marked with strips of electrical tape. Offers ease of removal if re-adjustment is necessary .......

Thanks for providing detailed posts about the usage of a witness mark. I also see you use palm savers for loading. I also use a form of palm saver for loading tighter loads. Just out of curiosity which style of palm saver do you prefer?

[warpipe]

My ramrod is marked as well, the older I get the easier I get distracted!

[sharps4570]

Thanks for providing detailed posts about the usage of a witness mark. I also see you use palm savers for loading. I also use a form of palm saver for loading tighter loads. Just out of curiosity which style of palm saver do you prefer?

Both examples cited above work well for me. The TC product (red) is comfortable to use. However, the CVA small round knob nestles better inside the palm and facilitates smooth, downward thrust to seat a tight(er) projectile.

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Both examples cited above work well for me. The TC product (red) is comfortable to use. However, the CVA small round knob nestles better inside the palm and facilitates smooth, downward thrust to seat a tight(er) projectile.

Thanks for responding to my query.

[MikePal]

I often wonder how many actually apply this method to their ML activities. For me using a SML this approach is essential to avoid a possible disaster. A witness mark basically confirms if the bore has some form of a load present.

Hi Ed, good topic. A few of the guys that shoot here are older and have poor memories, mixed that with a lot of talking while we're shooting. Unfortunately, we have to do bullet pulls quite often..mostly just to be sure and to be safe.

I made myself some ‘Go-no-Go’ gauges out of some wood Dowling (see below) for the MLs that I shoot; .45 Kentucky, .50 in-line and .58 PH Musketoon

I choose dowels closest to the width of the caliber and keep them out in the range shack for quick and easy confirmation if I have any doubts about the status of the load.

If loaded properly the orange bands protrudes fully out of the barrel.
If it sticks out longer than the orange it would be a double ‘something’ wrong.
If it's partially loaded and questioned (did I put the powder in yet?) : the orange band is partially out.
If the chamber is empty the orange band isn’t visible.

I also use them as a ‘Warning’ flag…I put them in the ML if it has a load (no primer) when I store it while during hunting week, just to remind me is loaded when I pick it up again.

Cheap, easy to make and like you said, makes it safer…and as Martha says ” that’s a good thing

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Hey Mike
Thanks for joining in and the input for this thread. Shooting ML and SML can be fun and challenging but at the same time also dangerous if simple safety practices are not employed. Range chit-chat can be enjoyable but also the distraction can put us in a precarious situation when we resume shooting without checking where we left off.

About memory is that I always thought only long-term memory would be affected with age. Funny thing is that my short-term memory is affected even more so. One question I often keep asking myself is, Did I or Didn’t I ….? Often when I deal with distractions my original train of thought gets derailed and need to back track to get on track again. The joy of getting older, chuckle.

[Bluebulldog]

I don't but I should. I use pre-formed pellets in my "blackpowder" muzzle loader, and I always use 2, so it's pretty easy to tell when you haven't used the correct number of pellets or something isn't right. Anyway, I suppose it would be easy to mark the ramrod with a bit of white paint or something just to be safe.

I have a couple of notches on my ramrod. One is for empty, one is for loaded with two pellets, one is loaded with 3.

I like to be safe.