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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    Considering one of the reasons of implementing the new Point based system was : it is alive and well in many other jurisdictions in North America-one would think, implementation would be well thought of ,and perhaps-flawless.
    In the states, the units I have applied for when you draw a tag you cant turn it back you are going hunting, Hopefully they put that into effect and you wouldn't see so many people applying drawing tags and not hunting,
    If you can play the game of applying and not having to except a tag your going to, I know my group if we were to draw a bull tag on the 2nd round it would not be excepted till the first one is filled,

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    Hunters really need to plan for future years and apply accordingly. Take last year for example, I applied for a bull in the first draw but was not successful. Since there were unclaimed bull tags for the same unit in the second draw, I applied for a bull for my first choice and cow and calf for the “free draw”. When all was said and done, I drew a calf tag with no loss of points. This year I should have a bull tag and the rest of the group will try for a cow or calf tag with no points lost so that we can get a bull tag the following year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_iles View Post
    I listened to the recent webinar, put on by MNR and OFAH. Kudos to both organizations by the way ! It was extremely informative, with lots of information given with respect to the process, moose management and possible future tweaks to the system. I found out that one issue that came to light, was that not all adult moose tags across the province were claimed. After the second draw period, tags awarded but not claimed were not made available to hunters. It sounds like they will be looking into this, to figure out a way to get all available tags out to hunters.
    There was a previous thread by Ralphy where he had made that observation - awarded tags going unclaimed, denying others the opportunity to use them and costing the MNRF revenue. Perhaps there needs to be a system where unclaimed tags are put up for purchase, similar to surplus tags in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delmer View Post
    There was a previous thread by Ralphy where he had made that observation - awarded tags going unclaimed, denying others the opportunity to use them and costing the MNRF revenue. Perhaps there needs to be a system where unclaimed tags are put up for purchase, similar to surplus tags in the past.
    In order to maintain the integrity of the system,allocating unclaimed tags would be counter productive as a conservation effort to keep Moose populations stable. That was the main reason for adopting the system in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    In order to maintain the integrity of the system,allocating unclaimed tags would be counter productive as a conservation effort to keep Moose populations stable. That was the main reason for adopting the system in the first place.
    One would think that, but the MNR Bios set the tag allocations, factoring in a 100% claim rate. They consider other factors such as hunter success rates, hunter numbers in each WMU, actual moose inventory reports, etc to get data indicating the percentages of tags actually filled and moose taken. So basically, WMUs with high hunter numbers and high success rates, get a lower tag allocation for obvious reasons. They are apparently looking at ways to get to the 100% tag claim rate. No doubt income from those tags is a consideration as well, although I didn’t hear that mentioned.
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    Personally speaking, I’m not very concerned about unclaimed tags. Under the previous system, I’m certsin that there were tag holders that never ended up hunting… especially tags from the surplus “draw”. So nothing new.

    Instead of a phone-in system, maybe the Ministry should hold an auction for unclaimed tags… some tags would go higher than face value, while others would go for less but at the end of the day there shouldn’t be any left.
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    Does anyone have the link for this webinar? Only webinar I could find was from 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckchaser View Post
    Does anyone have the link for this webinar? Only webinar I could find was from 2021.
    It was a live Zoom event. They said they were going to make the information discussed available on the web, but I haven’t seen anything yet.

    Edit: Try here .
    https://www.ofah.org/insideaccess/
    Last edited by rick_iles; April 23rd, 2022 at 08:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    In order to maintain the integrity of the system,allocating unclaimed tags would be counter productive as a conservation effort to keep Moose populations stable. That was the main reason for adopting the system in the first place.
    How so? If the MNRF determine that a harvest of 50 bulls in an area will meet their management numbers, what is the difference if the tags are claimed 100% through allocation, or a combination of allocation and selling off the unclaimed tags? As long as the total doesn't exceed the number of tags the MNRF has made available initially, it is just 6 of one, and a half dozen of the other.
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    One would think when the ministry allocates the tags that the moose population would be able to remain stable or increase or they would not have offered them tags. In area 21a there was approximately 187 tags awarded that were not claimed that’s a lot of money not going into the ministry pocket. Let alone The revenue lost in northern Ontario from gas stations grocery stores outdoor stores restaurants And many more. A lot of economic loss

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