Generator electricity….how ‘clean’ is it ?

[73hunter]

Just wondering if there’s anybody on the forum who has experience in this ? How true is the sine wave created by a generator, or how much distortion and “noise” is also present ?

a while back I was advised by someone not to run my furnace off a generator because it could damage the electronics in the circuit board…he was not an electronics specialist though. At work, laptops and other electronic gear is regularly powered by generators and I never hear of any issues.

I realize that inverter generators are intended make clean power and are better in many ways, but you have to spend much more to get an inverter that makes 240V,

just wondered,

[dean.f]

I believe it depends a lot on the generator, and the loads applied. Our job trailers are usually run off the big diesel rentals and guys charge everything with them. If you have a small horse power gas unit and run intermittent loads on it the voltage and frequency can fluctuate a huge amount and from what I understand, that's what will create problems with electronics. I did see a video where a guy ran his high efficiency furnace from a battery and inverter for a couple of days.

[greatwhite]

I did a lot of research on this and there was no conclusive answer on that. Some articles claimed it would ruin electronic equipment and others claimed it would not. I have a older Coleman generator 5500 and have run my computers on it (3), Plasma TV, satellite, Refrigerator, Freezer, sump pump etc. without a problem.

Also to test what happens if I run out of gas I shut the gas off to see how my computer ran and it was fine. Considering the number of brownouts I get each year my generator is unlikely to do any harm.

My best friend is planning to buy one like mine just so he can run his electronics workshop and is not worried about his electronics including his 10,000 computer or his other computers.

Not Scientific but seems fine to me.

[Fisherman]

There's a difference between inverter (clean) and construction (dirty) units. Inverter units keep their frequency very close to the desired 60hz required for electronics, the others tend to fluctuate more depending on load and are not good for electronics or motors.
As for running furnaces on inverters, there's only one problem, they need to have the ground and neutral bonded for the system to work, a simple fix is to take a common 120 male plug and shunt the neutral and ground connectors and plug it into the receptacle. No damage comes to the genny or furnace.

[delmer]

There's a difference between inverter (clean) and construction (dirty) units. Inverter units keep their frequency very close to the desired 60hz required for electronics, the others tend to fluctuate more depending on load and are not good for electronics or motors.

Yep, the difference is between what is considered clean power and what is considered dirty power. The easiest way to see the difference is to watch the sine wave they create on an oscilloscope. An inverter will produce a waveform that is uniform, with not much deviation between highs and lows. Regular generators will produce random spikes and the waveform will not be as uniform. The general rule, as explained to me by an electrical engineer, is to only use inverters to power any device that is controlled by a circuit board. Although regular generators are sometimes used with circuit boards, cumulative damage may be happening without knowing it, and the possibility exists of damaging the circuit board with an unexpected power spike (dirty power).

[TroutSlayer]

Here is an interesting comparison between sine wave and square wave: https://pssdistributors.com.au/what-...ave-inverters/

[Fisherman]

Here is an interesting comparison between sine wave and square wave: https://pssdistributors.com.au/what-...ave-inverters/

That's a pretty good explanation.

[73hunter]

It’s a bit surprising that there don’t seem to be smaller (homeowner type) inverters that provide a 240V connection. I guess most consumers just don’t need it and feed their RV trailers with 120V

[Gilroy]

Just wondering if there’s anybody on the forum who has experience in this ? How true is the sine wave created by a generator, or how much distortion and “noise” is also present ?

a while back I was advised by someone not to run my furnace off a generator because it could damage the electronics in the circuit board…he was not an electronics specialist though. At work, laptops and other electronic gear is regularly powered by generators and I never hear of any issues.

I realize that inverter generators are intended make clean power and are better in many ways, but you have to spend much more to get an inverter that makes 240V,

just wondered,

I had an old Coleman genny that was about 5,000 watts, a real noisy beast and it eventually killed its own circuit board. I got a Honda 6,200 watt Invertor and that has been the cats meow, the well pump operates on 120v on its own circuit. I run computers and i phones never a problem with this unit, but it was not cheap.

[73hunter]

Last month our village experienced a form of a “brown-out” where we lost a power phase, and many were recommending turning off the house’s main breaker to isolate sensitive electronics (I did this too), but I also got the sense that many people stuck it out and endured the lower power levels. And I did not hear about a bunch of people having damaged electrical equipment…

so what I am wondering is if the electronics are a lot more robust and able to withstand current/frequency/voltage variations than we give them credit for ?