Moose draw Round 2

[Ahuntr300]

Well that’s selective thinking. One of reason changes were implemented was the decline in moose. The new system hasn’t been in place very long.
There were lots of moose at the beginning of the old system. Just not so much at the end. So perhaps you need to evaluate at the appropriate time frames

Funny how shooting all kinds of calf and cows didn’t help the population

Granted there are far more significant factors at play than hunters but your statement is just so truly flawed I can’t fathom that you actually believe it. But if you do, you really need to do a little bit of actual research

Thanks Fishhog; I agree that there are other factors at play, but what I said is true. I have lived long enough to remember the good old days - where the old system was in place - that when you went moose hunting the chances of success were very high because there were lots of moose around. Was it because of the old system? I don't know for sure, maybe it was a contributing factor, and you cannot prove to me that it wasn't. What I can see after 4 years of using the new system, the quotas are still declining, meaning the moose populations are declining. So, it's hard to believe that the new system was designed for conservation at least by me.

[outdoorlife]

Thanks Fishhog; I agree that there are other factors at play, but what I said is true. I have lived long enough to remember the good old days - where the old system was in place - that when you went moose hunting the chances of success were very high because there were lots of moose around. Was it because of the old system? I don't know for sure, maybe it was a contributing factor, and you cannot prove to me that it wasn't. What I can see after 4 years of using the new system, the quotas are still declining, meaning the moose populations are declining. So, it's hard to believe that the new system was designed for conservation at least by me.

in the early 2000’s a group was fortunate to have 1 atv in camp. The atv was there for retrieving game and moving canoes. Now the average camp has an atv per person, 15 hunters driving 15 atv’s all day long. Over the same period the hunting has gone down the drain. Coincidence?

[gbk]

in the early 2000’s a group was fortunate to have 1 atv in camp. The atv was there for retrieving game and moving canoes. Now the average camp has an atv per person, 15 hunters driving 15 atv’s all day long. Over the same period the hunting has gone down the drain. Coincidence?

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This is what i am saying all along (in the past, several times).ATV use should be RESTRICTED by law for scouting ,perhaps moving stuff AND retrieving game.Period.
Alberta is a good example of this rule being alive and enforced.

NO guns on ATV til noon. Works like a charm.
So
-if you want to scout-go ahead and use the Quad(in Alberta is Quad not ATV)
-if your buddy harvests something-go ahead and help your buddy (who would walk out behind the ATV-with a gun on his shoulder)
-if you move stuff-no need for a gun anyway............

Why they left it allowed on afternoons ?-i would guess for accessing hunting camps or areas....and help retrieve potentially wounded game(where another gun is welcomed)

And all where the Grizzly population is booming( that may be a "justification"to have a gun with You)
Yet -no!

Alberta is as scattered and rural as most of Ontario, where ATV can be seen-yet those hunters there are very respectful of the law.
Should be a cake walk to make it an enforceable law here too..

[Species8472]

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This is what i am saying all along (in the past, several times).ATV use should be RESTRICTED by law for scouting ,perhaps moving stuff AND retrieving game.Period.
Alberta is a good example of this rule being alive and enforced.

NO guns on ATV til noon. Works like a charm.
So
-if you want to scout-go ahead and use the Quad(in Alberta is Quad not ATV)
-if your buddy harvests something-go ahead and help your buddy (who would walk out behind the ATV-with a gun on his shoulder)
-if you move stuff-no need for a gun anyway............

Why they left it allowed on afternoons ?-i would guess for accessing hunting camps or areas....and help retrieve potentially wounded game(where another gun is welcomed)

And all where the Grizzly population is booming( that may be a "justification"to have a gun with You)
Yet -no!

Alberta is as scattered and rural as most of Ontario, where ATV can be seen-yet those hunters there are very respectful of the law.
Should be a cake walk to make it an enforceable law here too..

It's not just the ATVs but what you are suggesting would definitely help. The ever expanding network of logging roads everywhere to points south of the Albany River has opened up huge areas to easy access by not just ATVs but 4x4 trucks and in some cases even regular 2wd vehicles.

[lazyman]

I think it’s a product of multiple people in the same group drawing tags. Groups put everyone in the draw and claim the tag with the lowest point successful hunter. Working the way it should (primary phase at least). It’s to everyone’s benefit that the system allows large groups only claim 1 tag.

Claiming it with the lowest point successful hunter and keeping high point hunters in the pool increases the odds they’ll get 1 per year in subsequent years.

Groups can claim as many tags their members get. But a smart group will do what you said

[gibb]

Without a doubt the herd has declined, since 1983 there about millions of dollars was given to the forest industry to build roads to the oldest stands of harvestable trees in the moose range.

The unintentional consequences of this is unlimited accessfor predators on the moose population.

If you want to grasp what has happened to the moose herd think of all the new roads build across every unit and look at the big picture.

We have both a two legged predator problem and a four legged predator problem.

The moose calves have a lot of challenges making it past the first year especially from a mobile predator like a wolf.

Roads are the root cause, giving both hunters and predators unlimited access.

It would help if their was more of an economic incentive to take wolves.

[grumpygeezer]

Our camp is atv access only as are all the camps around us. 28 klm one way. What about older people who can`t walk far or others that have health issues that prevent them for walking a mile to their stands from camp..then another mile to the next chase? Maybe you feel they should just give up something they have enjoyed all their life? I guess if you want to deny access then you best include riding horses as well. they travel farther and over worse terrain than an atv. I think there are enough restrictions in place for Ontario hunters now and I do not agree with your ideals.