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    Default Savage smokeless muzzle loaders no more and why .

    It appears that Savage Arms are no longer going to produce their smokeless muzzle loader if you have one their value will increase according to this article ; http://randywakeman.com/index.htm
    There Will Be No More Savage Muzzleloaders, Ever (and why)

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    From what I read the BATF did not want to recognize a smokeless ML as a ML ??

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    I had read something similar on another site that Savage was up to its neck in orders for guns (particularly the new Bmag .17 cal), and that it wasn't practical to set up to produce the 10ML-ll in small volume runs any more as they had done in the last few years, even though people had signed up on a waiting list to get one. The demand for their mainstream models takes precedent. It's too bad for shooters, but a good position for a company to be in when product demand exceeds availability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exo200 View Post
    From what I read the BATF did not want to recognize a smokeless ML as a ML ??
    Don't know where you got that info from , as other companies still build them but not as many as Savage did , Go to Randy Wakemans site and get all the info from it , the link is there.

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    Chuck hawk's give's a more detailed version of doom of the smokeless ML. That's where I read about BATF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exo200 View Post
    Chuck hawk's give's a more detailed version of doom of the smokeless ML. That's where I read about BATF
    This is probably the article you are referring to , also written by Randy Wakeman on the Chuck Hawks site, Savage Ceases 10ML-II Production: The End of an Era (Article by Randy Wakeman)

    However the latest up to date info is on Randy Wakemans site , from info direct from Savage Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
    This is probably the article you are referring to , also written by Randy Wakeman on the Chuck Hawks site, Savage Ceases 10ML-II Production: The End of an Era (Article by Randy Wakeman)

    However the latest up to date info is on Randy Wakemans site , from info direct from Savage Arms.
    Yup that's it . Reclassification and production cost's . Buy em if you can find them.

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    Yes Iím a 10ML-II owner for years and have excellent deer hunts with it and plan to still have many more God Willing.
    4759 has been a great powder to use with the 10ML-II but even this powder is going to be discontinued later this year. If this is your powder of choice for your 10ML-II you may want to consider stocking a few pounds before the yearís end.


    Ed

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    Death by a thousand cuts. The firearm industry and hunters are being hacked to a slow death. Next up, ban more lead.

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    From what I saw in clips from the 2014 Shot Show...the industry is alive and well. There have been more gun sales in the past year than ever before (lots of stock pilling due to fear mind you )

    I remember reading awhile back that the 'smokeless' Muzzleloader industry was getting wary with lawsuits mounting. It may be just coincidence but Savage had been slowing production of the 10ML-11 back in 2010 around the time they began having problems with TobyBridges. Who knows what went on behind the closed boardroom doors.

    I was wondering why this is news now, I thought Savage did their final production run back in 2011 ?

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