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Thread: Blame Yourself! Opportunity is knocking. Hunters beat the Anti's!

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    Thanks for the heads up, comment has been left!

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    I'm all for the return but you've got to understand the government works in slow methodical steps. Reluctance and posturing in development of the Ring of Fire is the concrete proof of that.
    They've made a proposal for a nuisance hunt. That we should support whole heartedly. Do we push for inclusion of the entire province when its not needed. If we do we come off as radicals and lose credibility with our arguments. Its a simple as that.

    And Bigr, I no longer run a commercial hunt so I have absolutely no vested interest in whether outfitters are included or not. What I do recognize is that for the hunt to work and actually produce results the outfitters must be involved whether you like it or not.
    If this hunt goes as planned and no difference is seen with the incidence of nuisance complaints, do you really think they'll continue with the program at a pace we want to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    I'm all for the return but you've got to understand the government works in slow methodical steps. Reluctance and posturing in development of the Ring of Fire is the concrete proof of that.
    They've made a proposal for a nuisance hunt. That we should support whole heartedly. Do we push for inclusion of the entire province when its not needed. If we do we come off as radicals and lose credibility with our arguments. Its a simple as that.

    And Bigr, I no longer run a commercial hunt so I have absolutely no vested interest in whether outfitters are included or not. What I do recognize is that for the hunt to work and actually produce results the outfitters must be involved whether you like it or not.
    If this hunt goes as planned and no difference is seen with the incidence of nuisance complaints, do you really think they'll continue with the program at a pace we want to see?
    I must have missed the part where it said that outfitters weren't included. I can't imagine them NOT being in on the ground floor. Why wouldn't they be? They're the people that could very well make or break the success of the hunt. I don't particularly agree that they should have exclusive access nor do I think it's right that licenses be granted to "local" hunters,either. To me,that sets a dangerous precedent for all hunting (ie. Deer or Moose tags to residents of a certain area,only,where it may be deemed that there's excessive numbers of animals).
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    I believe the pilot program should have been province wide. If we don't let it be known now that's it's needed everywhere we're up s creek without a paddle. I hunt wmu 60 and I try to get up every other weekend from the opening to the close of the bear season. On average my dogs tree between 25 and 35 bears every season. If I knew how to post pics I'd show you what happened to one of my dogs this past season. It's a known fact that more and more bears are being seen every year in Durham Region. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the bear population has exploded and being forced further south every year. Strike now while the iron is hot.
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    The province first had to agree there is a problem. DONE
    Then address the problem,,, there tring to with this hunt
    The short fall as long as people still keep calling in with bear issues is that it will show that it needs to expand.
    Project expands.
    Minister proclaimed that IF there is not enough resolution to the bear issue THEN they will need to expand more. Outfitters and Americans.
    Everyone get it ?

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    The reality is that most people have given up on calling because they're getting no response or no results either from MNR or the police agencies who feel it is not their responsibility.

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    So now YOU have a way as a good outdoors guy to stand up and show proof to change there mind. Hunt is starting or part of it and

    "Generally, the pilot will be assessed in a number of ways, including: tracking the number and type of calls to the Bear Wise reporting line from the pilot area and other communities, to compare results; monitoring the number of bear hunters and the number of bears harvested; working with the pilot municipalities to identify changing trends in human-bear encounters, and; working with municipalities to explore ways to limit human-bear interactions such as tracking the number of municipal by-laws to discourage the feeding of bears."

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    I really don't understand what you're saying here.

    I know this. For MNR to get accurate info and assess the results, hunters will have to have mandatory reporting and non-hunters will also have to start calling again to report nuisance animals.

    This too is going to be a problem in many places. Timmins and Sudbury have large areas that are private land and can't be hunted by residents unless they trespass. So conceivably no bears will be harvested in these areas and its these very areas where most nuisance calls come from because they surround the residential areas.

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    i sent in a response.this is very important as even the antis from overseas post on the EBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    I really don't understand what you're saying here.

    So conceivably no bears will be harvested in these areas and its these very areas where most nuisance calls come from because they surround the residential areas.

    And we will still have bear issues that will cause this hunt to have to increase areas and hunter as well as Americians.
    Thats the plan!
    If no bears or not enough bears are taken which I agree will probibly happen,,,, then they have said it will likly change to include more.
    Understand?
    Over time numbers will be ballanced out so the privite land will not be as much an issue but for now. Lets get the hunt back any way we can!

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