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Thread: Upland Gundog Association Hunt Test - Aug. 30 at Ruffwood

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    I disagree with your first statement...it is clearly not in all dog circles, you may wish to rethink that statement. Most definitely not within the field trial communities of more than retrievers.
    You might be happy with a club level certificate, but many others are not and they need to be clear about these results from the on set.

    Your last statement is incorrect as well. Currently the CKC has more clout than ever. Whether we want or agree with that is a different matter. Comments like these clearly show lack of any current relationship with CKC. Things like Judge selection, who judges, who's qualified, when an event can be held, future trail dates, how close to another's jurisdiction, how results are to be received, accumulation of points, catalogue format, catalogue submission, listing fees.....the list goes on......

    Who is currently arguing the case for exportation of pups on our behalf?

    I'm not against the holding of these events. I do think that people need to know realities though right from the on set. If this is such an upcoming direction then present a case for it, the numbers I see mentioned as wanting to be part of this are extremely low and charging the level of fees as stated does little to attract people to attempt to get some club's recognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krakadawn View Post
    I disagree with your first statement...it is clearly not in all dog circles, you may wish to rethink that statement. Most definitely not within the field trial communities of more than retrievers.
    You might be happy with a club level certificate, but many others are not and they need to be clear about these results from the on set.

    Your last statement is incorrect as well. Currently the CKC has more clout than ever. Whether we want or agree with that is a different matter. Comments like these clearly show lack of any current relationship with CKC. Things like Judge selection, who judges, who's qualified, when an event can be held, future trail dates, how close to another's jurisdiction, how results are to be received, accumulation of points, catalogue format, catalogue submission, listing fees.....the list goes on......

    Who is currently arguing the case for exportation of pups on our behalf?

    I'm not against the holding of these events. I do think that people need to know realities though right from the on set. If this is such an upcoming direction then present a case for it, the numbers I see mentioned as wanting to be part of this are extremely low and charging the level of fees as stated does little to attract people to attempt to get some club's recognition.
    I guess your dog circle and mine clearly not the same people but it doesn't mean i am wrong or incorrect. I know many who have pulled out as members from C.K.C for various reasons over the years and will not return. These people really don't have any interest in C.K.C events and continue as very ethical breeders and take part in other non sanctioned C.K.C events. I totally disagree that C.K.C continue to have more clout today than they ever have because if they did then the people in my circle would still be members....not so. I applaud UGA and support them for taking on such an event even if the numbers are low and that does not mean because it is not C.K.C sanctioned. The UGA must be doing something right and providing another alternative and realize an opportunity in this neck of the woods. Other clubs can provide the same level of judge selection, who's qualified etc. and I have been part of that selection in other dog events as well . Since you seem to have more knowledge of the C.K.C please share the current and future plans with us and any changes that may be happening. Has C.K.C ever reached out to other clubs such as UGA to partner with them ? Have you with your relationship with C.K.C ever had talks with your committee members to pursue other clubs to join ? I am always interested in a club that promotes an open discussion among members and sharing creative ideas how a club can improve its image.

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    Not sure who the people are in your circle YD but they are not likely competing in any licensed field trials or hunt tests??? Whether they continue as ethical breeders is beside the point. Do they register their dogs?

    I think you may confuse 'image' with clout. If you want to discuss how CKC might be more effective and change some practises then I'm all in and probably agree to a certain extent.

    Clout is a different matter.

    Are your 'unofficial' groups rallying around the recent USA announcement about importation of pups?? You say they are ethical but are they involved in the greater playing field of issues in and around our dogs?? If so tell me what they're doing.

    You are asking the wrong person about current and future plans. The list of Ontario Directors is readily available and you have a rep in your area so take the opportunity and ask those questions. The CKC site does a good job of updating it's members about current issues....sounds like you don't belong.

    I can tell you that there are many 'dog' councils within CKC that meet regularly, take input from folks that are part of that area and refine and update rules/approaches etc. Yup, I've been on the Retriever Council for some time so I have some knowledge and am privy to issues that affect others.

    It is not my job description to approach other clubs....perhaps that responsibility might be looked at from the other direction as well. I can tell you from experience that separate clubs often came to the OFAH's Sporting Dog Committee for help yet were not OFAH members but wanted support when their back side was in the wringer.

    I am not against a movement of this sort, I believe people need to hear the whole story first....fees, titles, legalities(we haven't even discussed if MNR sanction their activity). If you want me to be convinced that a showing of 10 people justifies this direction then you're going to have to dig deeper. I also can't believe they sanction the use of an e collar when participating.

    However, I'm happy to hear more.

    Have you been involved in organizing/running any dog events? Are you part of a club now or previously? Are you talking about the selection of judges for bird dog/retriever/hound events. If you had you would know how much direction the CKC demands.

    Did you ever get yourself out to any trials that we spoke about last spring?

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    That's great and appreciate the feedback with your involvement. Yes for many years I was a C.K.C member and the last four years let it slide due to life changing events and kennel closer. I started and spearheaded the Kemptville Ferguson Forest annual sled dog race with a good friend of mine. I was the director for this event for many years. Acted as trail boss and installing race course, in charge of and collecting race purse money. I promoted the club through spots on the local news out of Ottawa and various newspaper articles promoting this annual club event. These events were and others as well had a race marshall on behalf of the club and C.K.C that would sign documentation once purebred teams crossed the finish line. This signed document was proof to C.K.C that this particular member put so many miles towards a title that C.K.C issues once completed. Such titles as SD, SDX, SDXX have different logged miles signed by the race marshall to acquire title. Mentored many people over the years and established an ethical breeding program still being used to this day.
    And yes I went to the Fisherville event this past spring and plan on going to another. As expressed in a previous thread i had a fantastic time. I will also be going to an event next year in Ireland when I pick up another Spaniel. Been involved on and off as club member with Ducks Unlimited and most recently Delta Waterfowl. Many many years dedicated to ethical breedings practices and care of the breed I use to be involved with. Who knows maybe the next adventure will be field trialing and joining the various clubs in the area.

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    It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.

    But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing.
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    edited due to a lack of understanding of the purpose of the event. Sorry.
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    I think the Advanced test is great! Would like to see a stop to wild flush instead of a call off , but it's a quality test .If I had a good leg.............

    Ps I've tried to google info but had no luck.

    Could someone tell me the link for the GDA advanced pointing breed test?
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    Spaniel field trials don't allow any collar of any kind. We are nudists.

    The rules are here: http://uplandgundog.com/our-events/

    I misspoke (miswrote?); the 5 second rule is for the basic level only.
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    That's because you don't have to try and find your dog out there a 1/4 mile + , in the bush, on point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon View Post
    That's because you don't have to try and find your dog out there a mile + , in the bush, on point.
    That's debatable... HAHAHAHA jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    It's not the clout or reputation of the CKC that matters; it's the standard of training that the title reflects, whether it is an American Field title or CKC or AKC or NAVHDA or whatever. If you look at the rules for the UGA event (for example, pointers only having to hold point for 5 seconds) it's clear that the title doesn't mean much beside any of them.

    But ... owning a dog isn't a competition unless you choose to make it one, so that doesn't really matter. You get the dog you train, at the standard you demand, and events like this exist because they reflect the dogs a lot of people want. If people go out and have fun with their dogs and try to bring their dogs to whatever standard then that's a good thing.

    A+ for that comment

    And they start events like this as they are unable to compete at existing/current frameworks.

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