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    Default smokeless powder in a muzzle-loader

    http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2014/...oters-fingers/

    The man who fired the gun loaded the muzzleloader with smokeless powder which had been taken from 20 gauge shotgun shells,” Doane said over the phone. “He had run out of black powder and had actually cut open the shells and ended up pouring 75 grains of powder into that muzzleloader. Once again, smokeless powder is several times more powerful than black powder, so it would be like putting a 300-grain charge of blackpowder into a muzzleloader.”

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    Not sure how this fits into a lapse in judgment scenario. I have a different word to describe it.
    How is it one careless cigarette can cause a forest fire, but it takes a whole box of matches to light a campfire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oaknut View Post
    Not sure how this fits into a lapse in judgment scenario. I have a different word to describe it.
    Holy smokes. Yeah I do too Oaknut.

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    Everyone who has certain qualifications to own a firearm is allowed to own and use a muzzle loader. Because it is not required to have a good understanding of internal ballistics involving powder burn rates and pressures manufacturers of muzzle loaders provide you the necessary info for safely operating your type of muzzle loader.
    Yet there are those that feel they know enough to alter the guide lines and this is what they end up with. Worse yet there are individuals out there that claim you can use smokeless powder in a BP muzzle loader that gives a false sense of security to other userís to consider trying this.

    If you have to explore stupidity hopefully youíll have enough sense not to have someone beside you that could also be seriously hurt. You may also need that individual to call for help to salvage what is left of you after that pipe bomb goes off.

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    I've learned a couple things along my way. doesn't flow uphill and you can't teach common sense!

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    Conversely, that kind of stupidity is why the Savage ML10 was pulled from the market.....too many idiots used their BP loads in the SML, only they swapped in smokeless powder. A 100 gr of Accurate Arms 5744 is NOT the same as 100 gr of T7...but you'll get the same kind of 'after' photo though
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    Conversely, that kind of stupidity is why the Savage ML10 was pulled from the market.....too many idiots used their BP loads in the SML, only they swapped in smokeless powder. A 100 gr of Accurate Arms 5744 is NOT the same as 100 gr of T7...but you'll get the same kind of 'after' photo though

    No no that's not why Savage pulled it. They pulled it because producing 6000 mz's doesn't make sense when you can produce 60,000 rifles using the same real estate in the plant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    No no that's not why Savage pulled it. They pulled it because producing 6000 mz's doesn't make sense when you can produce 60,000 rifles using the same real estate in the plant.
    OK..if that's the story your happy with .LOL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jack View Post
    No no that's not why Savage pulled it. They pulled it because producing 6000 mz's doesn't make sense when you can produce 60,000 rifles using the same real estate in the plant.
    You 're right on, Savage cannot produce or keep up with the production of their regular firearms, and the "smokeless ML " was tying up their production and cutting into profits, after all the dollar is what counts in business.

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    Yes that is the reason from Savage anyway. The company is flourishing. They re tooled the line for bigger profits.

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