verdict in police shooting.

[MarkB]

I still don't get it. If use of excessive force, which is translated to attempted murder, leads to death, it technically
translates to murder or manslaughter. Are they saying he would have died from the initial gun shots?

You can't have attempted murder, then the guy dies, and say it's not murder. The attempted murder charge indicates
that murder was the intent.

[rick_iles]

I still don't get it. If use of excessive force, which is translated to attempted murder, leads to death, it technically
translates to murder or manslaughter. Are they saying he would have died from the initial gun shots?

You can't have attempted murder, then the guy dies, and say it's not murder. The attempted murder charge indicates
that murder was the intent.

Basically, the jury found that the first use of force was justified. Once Yatim was down, and the threat was eliminated (in their minds), the other rounds fired were in excess. This is only round one. There will be appeals and other motions put before the courts.

[JBen]

Cant imagine how much of a threat someone is once they comply (albeit unwillingly), and are near death, prone and inside a streetcar.......

If the shooter was anyone else.
A gang banger, a terrorist, or hostage taker, it would be called an execution, as that's what it was.

The charge of Murder and jurys acquittal.
People will debate this forever. Some will think he was within fine lines, others not. The fact he was contained in the streetcar says all that needs to be said as far as Im concerned....They could have maintained that indefinitely, with no threat of harm to anyone.
Nuff said.



The 2nd volley, really is what crosses lines, and is what makes the shooting (the 1st volley) all the more questionable.

[skypilot]

Jury compromised on the verdict likely, for whatever reason.

Now comes the tired old dance .....the "Crown" trained him to do what he did to Yatim therefore the "Crown" cannot punish/sentence him for it, but they'll have to be quick before official sentencing, I believe.

Police UOF needs Ability/Intent and Opportunity on the part of the "armed suspect" to be justified.
Yatim has no opportunity to harm anyone until he moves to leave the seating deck and move towards Forcillo, 4 steps down to pavement. That never happened. He never left the seating deck 4 steps up.

[JoePa]

It sounds like you guys are having the same problems with cops as we are down here - we have had many cases where cops shoot people without just cause - some were shot in the back while running away - there is a growing mistrust of cops and many people are filming their encounter with cops to protect themselves from cops violating their rights -

Not all cops are like this and there are a lot of so-called good cops - the only problem is that often times these so-called good cops stand by as a bad cop acts badly and then don't clean their own ranks of these bums

[JBen]

Good read.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...a-man-to-death

In the end (until sentencing and the defence will likely argue no previous trouble, good record, member of his community etc going for the lightest possible). It might be for the best.

Had they acquitted things likely would be a lot worse, and thus worse for leo. The "compromise" as many are now calling it gives them a way to get a conviction at the least.

Still think they got it "dead" wrong, as my thinking is exactly the same as Sky Pilots. The line in the sand if you will in this scenario for me is the exit of the street car. Had he put one toe on the pavement.....not much to say other than the eulogy. But he didn't and someone cut him down, then executed him.

[trimmer21]

Julien Falconer summed things up when he said to the affect that there's no excuse for the Police to use the fact a mentally ill subject has a knife where there's no possibility of that person injuring anyone other than himself. There's no way that person should be gunned down like a dog in the street. Way back when (I know ) we were trained that deadly force could never be used when someone had a knife unless circumstances were so dire that there was no other choice. We were armed with 24" night sticks and collapsables (Asps) and drilled continually during in-service training to disarm,control and arrest persons carrying edged weapons. We were also trained containment and de-escalation tactics and that we had all the time in the world,even days if need be,when no one else was in danger.
So,WTH happened to that raining model?

[Oddmott]

We were armed with 24" night sticks and collapsables (Asps) and drilled continually during in-service training to disarm,control and arrest persons carrying edged weapons. We were also trained containment and de-escalation tactics and that we had all the time in the world,even days if need be,when no one else was in danger.
So,WTH happened to that raining model?

See... this is exactly what i assumed our police forces were trained to do. And judging from the reactions of most people I've ever talked policing stuff with had very similar assumptions.

I don't think many regular joes are aware that at some point things changed within our Canadian police services.

[Sharon]

Based on his " trigger happy" file I blame the employer for not removing him from the front lines earlier. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...fatal-shooting

[terrym]

I think removing officers is easier said than done. Many end up on paid suspension, sometimes for years at a time.