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    The one account I read stated that's the bears intestines were strung throughout the trees. If factual, this bear in no way died a quick humane death as he's claiming.
    Because spearing is a legal method in Alberta does not mean we should automatically support this guy as a hunter. Game laws are continually in flux as harvesting methods are examined for their humaneness. It wasn't all that long ago that an almost total revamping of Ontario's trapping regs were undertaken. Clearly the changes were aimed towards cleaning up the industry standards before the antis had their way.

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    One of my first thoughts Sawbill. How was it a good "shot", if there are entrails caught on trees ( there were ). And when they roll the bear over, there's more spilling out. The shot ( throw) is close to broadside. It looks good ( entry point). All I can guess is possibly A) deflection off bone which I can see due to lack of kinetic energy or B) jouncing around from running. Either way, it's definitely not a pass through, doubt he got both lungs ( maybe 1) and given it ( the spear) ri pped out its intestines....................?also wonder about spoilage as it sat for already 12-14 hours.

    And should add. When they roll the over the would is rather large ( well gee). It looked a little "back" but hard to say as much of that could have been caused when he spear came out. Either way, there no arguing it (somehow) caught and ripped it's guts out.
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    To keep it simple...there is a whole industry out there that does nothing but strive to develop a broadhead for a bow hunter that will leave the largest possible entree/exit wound to facilitate maximum damage, fast hemorrhaging and a good blood trail.

    The fact that the intestines (that were pulled out of the wound when the beer sideswiped a tree and pulled the spear out) were outside the bears body give credit to the fact that the wound was large, a desired result, a good kill shot. The bigger the wound channel the more damage it will do and the faster the animal will die.

    I 'm guessing 'cleaning up the industry' to appease the viewers would mean a bloodless kill where the animal drops dead in it's tracks every time..

    Aren't 'Bloodless' pics are a requirement on this...a Hunting forum ??
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    I'm guessing you missed the part where in black and white I typed "B) jouncing around from running) . Reading people's post and understanding that is being acknowledged is pretty simple. So no need for "keeping it simple".

    given theres no blood or if there is its minimal from an exit wound. That suggest the spear didn't penetrate all that deeply. At least not straight through. You might also made missed the part where I typed " the shot looks good "entry". So so did it get 1 lung before heading towards the guts? The lack of punch through suggest it didn't get both.

    60 yards.
    granted I haven't done a lot of bear hunting. But every bear hunt I have been on, and every bear I have seen recovered. Piles up in less than than 30. Whether it was shot with a bow or rifle. In fact, two guides I have used have a rule. If it's not recovered within 25 yards the search is off until morning....wonder why they have that rule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    I'm guessing you missed the part where in black and white I typed "B) jouncing around from running) . Reading people's post and understanding that is being acknowledged is pretty simple. So no need for "keeping it simple".
    I think you should re-read your own post JBen....I didn't disagree with you at all. Don't go out of your way to start an argument..again...LOL...
    Last edited by MikePal; August 18th, 2016 at 06:32 AM.
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    Let's keep this simple then Mike.
    Dont start replies with "let's keep this simple".

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    The one account I read stated that's the bears intestines were strung throughout the trees. If factual, this bear in no way died a quick humane death as he's claiming.
    Because spearing is a legal method in Alberta does not mean we should automatically support this guy as a hunter. Game laws are continually in flux as harvesting methods are examined for their humaneness. It wasn't all that long ago that an almost total revamping of Ontario's trapping regs were undertaken. Clearly the changes were aimed towards cleaning up the industry standards before the antis had their way.
    I have seen rifle shot deer running with chunks of bone missing from their shoulders/legs from perfectly good shots. I have seen bow shot deer flopping around and trying to survive after a hit, it happens, hunting is not a lights out thing.

    I do not get how a massive entry wound and deep penetration is an unethical thing.

    If you want to talk about humaneness of this throw then you have to consider any and all shots ever taken on game. This is not a serrated leg hold trap that the animal was left in for days, this was a massive entry wound that the animal could not have lived for minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    Let's keep this simple then Mike.
    Dont start replies with "let's keep this simple".
    Isn't that an oxymoron...LOL.
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    Smallgamer just posted a new thread on the possibility of shared values by hunters and non-hunters. Everyone posting here should take a look.

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    Fox, I've seen and heard of deer that run hundreds of yards. I personally haven't seen a bear recovered, if, it's not piled up in under 30. Either way, I don't know how much it matters in this instance. The damage being done is due to all I'll considered video, that leaves the perception in the publics mind. Of both "red neck blood sport" (wonder why) and subsequently an inhumane kill.

    Is spear hunting a humane way to hunt?
    There is some guy that hunts big game in Africa with spears. The vids he post, don't call it into question, nor do they cause a firestorm with the public.
    Last edited by JBen; August 18th, 2016 at 06:48 AM.

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