Any Libertarian Party Members Here?

[Waftrudnir]

.... Herbal drugs will be choice, synthetic compounds will still be controlled and be illegal as a principle, heroin, crack ect ect.

there is a risk benefit ratio to any drug. without looking at the pot example in particular, the delineation of herbal vs. synthetic is not overly sound when it comes to negative health impact.
prescription drugs have been evaluated that their positive impact outweighs the negative impact; hence reduces cost to the health care system.
most "recreational" drugs bear a huge long-term price tag that burdens our health care system (and nobody wants to talk about it). the only thing offsetting costs is reduced average life expectancy of drug addicts...

So on that principle if we are viewed as threat to the status quo power sharing parties and they see our ranks swell and voters seeing how simple it can be. Mission accomplished. Make no mistake, when we become a threat as we are now, they will turn from each other and collectively attack us. This is coming and they know it, especially in Ontario as we are signing up hundreds more each week, people have woken up over the hydro file and want to take their lives back from government control, now that they can finally see.

you are correct, now is a good time for small parties.
don't forget that JT is milking the green agenda heavily. this used to be bread & butter for some; now it's either gone (or more likely, soon be spoiled for a decade or two). so, there will be change on that end of the envelope too.

Well, we agree on some thing and others no so much. I thank for your debate. ...

your welcome; appreciate the mental exercise as well.
for the record, I'm not a member of any party
I find it surprising that I've been the only one to stick my head out. could have to do with the title of the thread.

[Roper]

I don't vote for parties, I vote for people. I vote for the person I think has the character and integrity to pursue his claimed directions. Problem is: Some just say what many people like to hear in order to get elected and then New boss same as the old boss.

[fratri]

A good read so far....very interesting...keep at it boys, learning a lot

[line052]

Many of you know me on here as an ex injured vet, some have read my rants on the Conservatives over veterans affairs. Also, I was shocked to learn about gun rights, property rights, individual rights are next to non existent or so controlled you are at more risk than a criminal with a gun. I joined at 17 and bought hook line and sinker what I was fed for over 35 years. Switching from Conservative to Libertarian was not done lightly for me. I have been studying the what little policy I can find, but more importantly joining discussion groups and learning. When I decide to do something I am all in. The Libertarian Party represents a new way of thinking and doing government. More importantly it will give you property rights, self rights, gun rights, rights of self choice to govern your own life. I never knew how invasive the government is all aspect of my life, I bought the cool aid speak from all of them.

Do I expect we will form the next government in Ontario, maybe. I do expect we will get members in this house this time. Everyday I get to talk, chat and write about policies and ideas. If spreading the message about more freedoms is all I can do, then so be it. I do know that voting the way I have in the past and my loyalty to those voting patterns has not made a single difference in mine or my kids life, but maybe, just maybe I can leave something better for them. So win, lose or draw my efforts, votes and money will be going to change, change that will free us from most government controls, and return to us what everyone has had taken from them without their knowledge or permission...Your Rights to self and choice.

P.S. I anyone else has questions or wishes to debate more, please post your comments or questions.

[line052]

I spent my lunch with an Anarchist debating the Libertarian Movement and how it fits for him. Libertarians have far right of arc anarchists, Centrist Libertarians, and far left (Conservative [small c]). The great part is we can sit in the same room and debate without fear of offending one and another. Our goals are all the same.

[line052]

Here is the link to LP Pub Nights in your area

http://www.libertarian.on.ca/pub_nights

[Waftrudnir]

Lots of people agree in principle on the need for smaller government and property rights. However, and I said that earlier, the libertarians are out for lunch on the topic of immigration. Came across that one and thought it is worth sharing.

http://www.therebel.media/debunking_...ss_immigration

[Fox]

there is a risk benefit ratio to any drug. without looking at the pot example in particular, the delineation of herbal vs. synthetic is not overly sound when it comes to negative health impact.
prescription drugs have been evaluated that their positive impact outweighs the negative impact; hence reduces cost to the health care system.
most "recreational" drugs bear a huge long-term price tag that burdens our health care system (and nobody wants to talk about it). the only thing offsetting costs is reduced average life expectancy of drug addicts...

There is a much higher cost to the health care system through legal recreational drugs then pot will ever have, look at the impact of Alcohol and Tobacco on society and the health care system but yet people are allowed to have that choice.

Many of the current illegal drugs should be treated the same way, abuse can and will occur if the drugs, legal or not, is abused by the individual.

[line052]

Stats Can 2015 Death and Injury by Alcohol Motor Vehicle
718 total
122 Deaths
596 injuries

Stats Can 2015 Total Murders
604
Cant find a breakdown, but 80% are suicides.

[Waftrudnir]

There is a much higher cost to the health care system through legal recreational drugs then pot will ever have, look at the impact of Alcohol and Tobacco on society and the health care system but yet people are allowed to have that choice.

Many of the current illegal drugs should be treated the same way, abuse can and will occur if the drugs, legal or not, is abused by the individual.

did you read that part of my post where I wrote "[COLOR=#333333]without looking at the pot example"?
differentiating between herbal and synthetic origin is misleading; ask anyone who picks mushrooms
do you know what Health Canada has been doing in preparation for the leaglisation of cannabis, just to make sure it doesn't take an ugly turn? cannabis has a fairly good safety profile and has been extensively used. so the risk is rather low.
with other illegal drugs, well many have proven to be the opposite! and misuse of prescription drugs falls into the same category. so if one would argue that the prescription and controlled substances systems have issues, the solution is certainly not to do away with them.

when it comes to choice, fine. there have been (financially motivated) studies on the use of cannabis vs. alcohol, which found that in the end "consumer" behaviour will not significantly change; i.e. people will not switch from alcohol to cannabis.
both are not great health choices and there is no significant change to health care costs anticipated with its legalization.
that would be vastly different with other substances! there isn't much else out there (and i will certainly not give anyone ideas here), where one could make a case like it has been done for pot.