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Thread: Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post
    " I was shocked to learn that there is no limit on the number of firearms any one licensed gun owner can purchase and possess", the letter states. This "obvious gap" needs to be addressed, as legally purchased Canadian guns are turning up in criminal investigations with greater frequency, Tory writes.

    The letter also adds that Tory has learned criminals are also arming themselves with domestically sold LONG GUNS, including rifles and shotguns.

    The Coalition for Gun Control blames relaxed licensing and legislation under the Tories for eroding strict controls that previously limited access to certain firearms.
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    Why would crooks be arming themselves with rifles and shotguns? They're the most useless firearms for criminal use there is unless the LONG guns he's referring to are prohibs. Somebody needs to sit the boy down and school him.
    Last edited by trimmer21; December 19th, 2016 at 04:47 PM. Reason: incorrect info
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    Metro Toronto has grown by 300,000 in the years 2011 to 2015 ( no stats for 2016 yet) from 5.8mm to 6.1mm. So roughly 5%.
    I got that from stats can, trust no real need for the link.I was looking at something earlier this year, which looked at the number of shooting incidents and trips to the ER ( not just deaths/homicides). They to were showing a spike this year, personally don't question it.

    Do question the "causes" and um the amount of resources being poured into it and why if it's so alarming. Tory isn't instead making sure he's getting value for his money.

    https://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/engl...and_gangs.html

    IGGT
    http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/gunandgang/

    OCE
    http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/organizedcrime/

    Cant suck and blow at the same time.
    Aka sound alarms bells about the number of guns, shootings, murders and completely ignore why all that money apparently isn't doing much good.

    Funny that eh Trimmer.
    RPALs and registry, differences between just your average gun owner and collectors, blah blah blah.

    Smoke and mirrors imo, he wants to cry about it and thats fine, theres been a fairly big spike. Hard to ring alarm bells without looking at.........

    unless of coarse theres a handy "scape goat" to draw attention away from.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    There already are limits we can buy. Any more than 10 and we need collectors or dealers licenses which require a different level of inspection,so,he's out to lunch with that stuff. Why would crooks be arming themselves with rifles and shotguns? They're the most useless firearms for criminal use there is unless the LONG guns he's referring to are prohibs. Somebody needs to sit the boy down and school him.
    Any chance of showing where any more than 10 guns u need a collectors/dealers license ? If that's a fact, there's a lot of criminals out there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdog View Post
    Any chance of showing where any more than 10 guns u need a collectors/dealers license ? If that's a fact, there's a lot of criminals out there....

    I've read it someplace either in The Firearms Act or Criminal Code which I can't remember right off hand,but,it wasn't that long ago. I'll try to find it.
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    Another article on it.
    To be fair, the focus is more on the failings of LEO than on Johny Q gun Owner.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3135360/rc...toronto-mayor/

    This segment is interesting.
    Bryce McDonald, a Courtenay, B.C. man, registered 49 restricted firearms, mostly handguns[COLOR=#111111], between 2009 and his arrest in 2013. McDonald bought several identical or nearly identical handguns, including 10 Glock semi-automatic pistols, three of which he bought on the same day.[COLOR=#111111]McDonald was approved for a restricted firearms licence, which allowed him to buy as many handguns as he liked, despite a criminal conviction for uttering threats and a major head injury which meant that he had no memories from before the age of 19.
    READ: RCMP concerned after dozens of guns stolen from central Alberta home
    Police raided McDonald’s house after homicide investigators traced a gun abandoned in a bag in Surrey, B.C. back to him. They found only seven of the dozens of restricted guns that were supposed to be in his possession.
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    So heres a person who arguably should not have been able to acquire or keep an RPAL, and given technology today that yes, should have raised questions......

    So in this case it's the failing of leo, not Johnny Q. Which begs the question, where's the "problem".
    Also noticed he wasn't charged with weapons trafficking.......
    Hmmm

    Kind a like a soft on crime, revolving door justice system.
    Last edited by JBen; December 19th, 2016 at 04:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdog View Post
    Any chance of showing where any more than 10 guns u need a collectors/dealers license ? If that's a fact, there's a lot of criminals out there....
    OOOPS!! I think I misread The Firearms Act Sec.102 regarding Inspections of firearms collections,so,I amended the above post.
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    Tory should be questioning the new "carding" law poised to take effect. Police will no longer be able to stop and check suspicious individuals. The gangbangers already know they can begin carrying their weapons without being hassled by the cops. It will only get worse!

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    Yup work on tougher gun laws but leave that revolving door judicial system just the way it is.

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    I was just listening to AM 1010 (by accident, I was setting up a new radio and heard firearms and stopped), the firearm supporter was doing OK but according to the idiot announcer and some of the call ins:

    1) announcer has no interest in ever shooting a firearm, thinks should be a limit to how many and police should be allowed to come into a gun owners house anytime because guns kill people.

    Translation based on what I heard: idiot, no respect for firearm owners, likes a police state

    2) Call ins: Same as above but analogy to cars brought up again ....

    Translation based on what I heard: idiots, no clue on ownership, seems they can't figure out owning a car without a license isn't illegal, driving one on the road without a license is. Ignorant or ignoring the fact handguns are the majority of the problem and they require a special license, authorization to transport and have been registered since 1934.... intolerant of differing views I would say too.


    At this point I finished setting up the radio (without 1010) but based on what I heard they are fine with a police state where search warrants are not required for legal firearm owners and when they can't blame firearms it will be knives, then bats and we will all live happily in a world made up of pillows and stuffed animals eating tofu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dythbringer View Post
    I would like to know how he is getting his "facts".
    From the police, no doubt, but when facts make their way into a politician's hands they always end up being misused. The number of homicides is not a function of the number of guns -- and we don't even really know the number of guns out there. The rate of shootings has been up the past two years, and police admit that this is cyclical and they don't fully understand why.

    Instead of talking about whether more gang guns are being sourced domestically, we should be talking about the things that actually matter: why gangs turn to domestic sources, and whether the overall supply of guns to gangs is falling.

    Gangs are turning to domestic sources because enforcement of smuggling is becoming more effective. It is getting riskier and more expensive to smuggle guns, so the market reacts. A greater proportion of guns is sourced domestically ... which means enforcement is working!

    But what is the overall supply? Contrary to claims made by some, the supply of illegal guns is poor enough and the street cost high enough that some gangbangers end up sharing them or renting them. This is a measure of success. You won't hear politicians talking about that, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpriteMcBain View Post
    Blanket rules aren't the answer though, those criminals will always find a way...
    But blanket rules do have the effect of choking off sources of supply. The existence of a handgun registry in Canada and the system of licensing make it very risky to convert handguns to the black market, as demonstrated by recent arrests. The effect was to make criminals turn to smuggling, at greater risk and expense. Now, border enforcement is making them look for guns at home. The cost and difficulty of a gangbanger getting a gun rises.

    This has a visible effect. Petty criminals are priced out of the gun market. In Canada, the rate of guns used in robbery is about 12%; in the US; on the order of 43%. The difference is how cheaply and easily a bottom-feeding crook -- armed robbery is a high risk, low reward, bottom feeding crime -- can get a handgun.

    When criminals turned to smuggling, it was a sign the system was working. That they're turning back tells us border enforcement is working. We enjoy a low murder rate, a low overall rate of violence, and a low rate of gun crime. But politicians are about politics.
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