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    Quote Originally Posted by seabast View Post
    Once in a while not following the rules is the only option. I can't remember the last time I was asked my PAL by a CO....


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    They don't ask, they don't care...they say that is the RCMP's responsibility, not theirs....I didn't argue
    Got asked this year when I took Jems duck hunting at Hullett Marsh. CO was waiting at the boat launch and asked to see our PALs. Just because some don't ask for it doesn't mean that firearms operators shouldn't have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    Police will certainly ask for it. The very last thing any firearm owner wants to do is to get caught in a lie. If it's found that someone failed to disclose or outright lied to get/keep a PAL,they'll wish they hadn't in very quick order. After that,the ramifications will be permanent and very far-reaching.
    x2. Right now, with a few exceptions such as the OP's case, it is a fairly easy process to obtain your PAL. If guys start to lie on the form to get out of answering questions which may need additional clarification or possibly disqualify them from obtaining a PAL and the public finds out about it, how much more difficult will it become to obtain a PAL/firearms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNewGuy View Post
    Of course, the major disparity there is a lack of a PAL-type system such as Canada's, where each individual is checked prior to being able to purchase legally whether from dealers or privately - other than the gang-bangers who buy smuggled.
    The State of Illinois has a system similar to Canada's PAL, called the FOID card. As of yesterday, 3,189 people have been shot in the city of Chicago during 2017.

    Draw your own conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawdad Six View Post
    The State of Illinois has a system similar to Canada's PAL, called the FOID card. As of yesterday, 3,189 people have been shot in the city of Chicago during 2017.

    Draw your own conclusions.
    Crime guns in Chicago are sourced outside Illinois and exchanged through trusted networks. There is no border to cross. This has been extensively studied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    Crime guns in Chicago are sourced outside Illinois and exchanged through trusted networks. There is no border to cross. This has been extensively studied.

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    So PAL-type cards and restrictive firearms laws have no effect on the behavior of criminals and only serve to make life more difficult for the already law-abiding?

    You don't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawdad Six View Post
    So PAL-type cards and restrictive firearms laws have no effect on the behavior of criminals and only serve to make life more difficult for the already law-abiding?

    You don't say.
    The existence of an international border affects matters.

    You're debating a settled point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawdad Six View Post
    The State of Illinois has a system similar to Canada's PAL, called the FOID card. As of yesterday, 3,189 people have been shot in the city of Chicago during 2017.

    Draw your own conclusions.
    Hmmm. I'm guessing the "purchase legally (as in through a FFL dealer)" and "smuggled in by gang-bangers" wasn't picked up on - and I'm sure the same would apply to Chicago. Factor in the astounding numbers of handguns and other non-hunting firearms available through private sellers (in Chicago or elsewhere) plus any resulting from criminal activity, and the difference in situations becomes slightly less muddied in comparison to Canada, at least.

    When was the last time you went to a garage sale on a small town or suburban street and saw one (or more) handguns laying on a table, or even the odd AR-15? I've encountered such, working for a U.S. employer, when I ended up having to stay over a weekend due to an ongoing project - and out of boredom on a Saturday went cruising garage sales, where some poor lady, recently widowed, decides to clear out her deceased husband's firearms, quite legal to do that in most states. I'm not going to say every local garage sale has items for sale which would be slightly offbeat in Canada, but it does happen (and frustrates me because I can't take advantage of it due to my non-landed status, to be frank).

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    Can someone help me understand this situation... If someone is buying a gun to do harm ... and the application currently relies on that individual to be honest and declare if they are depressed, etc. ... does that make sense?

    You might say, you'll get into a whole lot of trouble if the police find out you lied ... well, if a person is going to do harm, won't it be too late, and perhaps they don't care if they lied anyhow, because they are about to do something much worse.

    The reason I say this is I sympathize with the OP. He's being honest, and assuming his doctor is just being impersonal with his decisions (he simply might not want to take liability no matter what). And because he's being honest, now he has a whole world of challenges to deal with. That in my mind discourages people from cooperating (not that I'm saying you'd do that, OP). I see the current system as being a bit flawed, and think there should be a level of independence of investigation (maybe all doctors must sign off PAL ... okay don't go crazy guys, just a suggestion), and more accurate definitions in regards to who is safe and not (so doctors don't have to feel like they are taking on liability). I don't know ... something just doesn't seem right with the current way of doing things.

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