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    https://www.richmond-news.com/less-t...ine-1.23554750

    Less than 20 per cent of long guns registered in Quebec ahead of Jan. 29 deadline

    MONTREAL — Quebec's attempt to establish a firearms registry is facing resistance, and with a January deadline looming, less than 20 per cent of the long guns believed to be in the province have been declared.

    Pro-gun activist Guy Morin is calling on the public to "wait until the last minute" to comply with the law. The spokesman for Tous contre un registre quebecois des armes a feu (All Against a Quebec Gun Registry) said in an interview Friday his hope is either the registry will be abolished or so few people will register that it "cannot be enforced."


    The government has put the number of long guns — mostly shotguns and rifles — in Quebec at roughly 1.6 million. But since the registry opened last January, only 284,125 guns had been declared, Public Security Department spokeswoman Louise Quintin said.

    Morin, whose group last month cancelled a plan to hold a rally at a memorial site for the 14 women killed at Ecole Polytechnique, said Quebec's law is an affront. "We are Canadian gun owners, and this is insulting to us," he said. "Why do we have to register here when everywhere else in the country, you don't have to?"
    The federal Liberals introduced the Canada-wide long gun registry in 1995, saying it would cost roughly $110 million. The figure multiplied and ended up costing taxpayers many times that before the Conservatives abolished it in 2012.
    Following pressure from gun-control groups, Quebec passed a law creating its own registry in 2016. The government has given gun owners until Jan. 29, 2019 to register their firearms or face penalties of up to $5,000.
    Quebec initially said its registry would cost $17 million and another $5 million annually to maintain. Quintin said in an email that the budget for setting up the registry is now set at $20 million.
    Public Security Minister Genevieve Guilbault told reporters this week the government is hoping it does not have to resort to fines. "Yes, there are fines that can be applied for people who don't fulfil their obligations," she said. "But you know, before the repression part, I prefer to focus on the prevention part," she added, encouraging people to register their guns over the Christmas holidays.
    Canadian law classifies guns in three categories. Prohibited guns such as automatics and restricted guns such as handguns must be registered with the RCMP. Long guns — rifles and shotguns that are mainly used for hunting and sport shooting — no longer need to be registered in Canada, except in Quebec.
    Canadians have been debating the value of the long gun registry for years. The Ontario Superior Court ruled in 2014 against a constitutional challenge to the Conservative law abolishing the registry, saying "there is no reliable evidence" the decision "actually has, or will, increase the incidence of violence or death by firearms."
    Morin said there was never a proper debate in Quebec about the registry because gun control has been a highly sensitive issue in the province since the 1989 Ecole Polytechnique shootings. "The anti-gun lobby is hiding behind those victims," Morin said. "There is no one at the political level who wants to displease these people."

    Heidi Rathjen, co-ordinator of PolySeSouvient, a gun-control group formed after the 1989 Polytechnique massacre, lobbied for the creation of the Quebec registry. She rejects arguments it is a waste of money, pointing to provincial police statistics showing 80 per cent of firearms seized during crimes over the past 20 years were long guns.
    Rathjen said a registry is essential because guns cannot be controlled if the government doesn't know how many there are and where they are.
    "We've had the democratic debate," she said. "The bill was passed. This is now a question of whether or not the current government will yield to the pressure of a minority or will uphold the law."
    "This is about unenforceable registration of weapons that violates the rights of people to own firearms."—Premier Ralph Klein (Alberta)Calgary Herald, 1998 October 9 (November 1, 1942 – March 29, 2013) OFAH Member

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhite View Post
    https://www.richmond-news.com/less-t...ine-1.23554750

    Less than 20 per cent of long guns registered in Quebec ahead of Jan. 29 deadline


    MONTREAL — Quebec's attempt to establish a firearms registry is facing resistance, and with a January deadline looming, less than 20 per cent of the long guns believed to be in the province have been declared.

    Pro-gun activist Guy Morin is calling on the public to "wait until the last minute" to comply with the law. The spokesman for Tous contre un registre quebecois des armes a feu (All Against a Quebec Gun Registry) said in an interview Friday his hope is either the registry will be abolished or so few people will register that it "cannot be enforced."


    The government has put the number of long guns — mostly shotguns and rifles — in Quebec at roughly 1.6 million. But since the registry opened last January, only 284,125 guns had been declared, Public Security Department spokeswoman Louise Quintin said.

    Morin, whose group last month cancelled a plan to hold a rally at a memorial site for the 14 women killed at Ecole Polytechnique, said Quebec's law is an affront. "We are Canadian gun owners, and this is insulting to us," he said. "Why do we have to register here when everywhere else in the country, you don't have to?"
    The federal Liberals introduced the Canada-wide long gun registry in 1995, saying it would cost roughly $110 million. The figure multiplied and ended up costing taxpayers many times that before the Conservatives abolished it in 2012.
    Following pressure from gun-control groups, Quebec passed a law creating its own registry in 2016. The government has given gun owners until Jan. 29, 2019 to register their firearms or face penalties of up to $5,000.
    Quebec initially said its registry would cost $17 million and another $5 million annually to maintain. Quintin said in an email that the budget for setting up the registry is now set at $20 million.
    Public Security Minister Genevieve Guilbault told reporters this week the government is hoping it does not have to resort to fines. "Yes, there are fines that can be applied for people who don't fulfil their obligations," she said. "But you know, before the repression part, I prefer to focus on the prevention part," she added, encouraging people to register their guns over the Christmas holidays.
    Canadian law classifies guns in three categories. Prohibited guns such as automatics and restricted guns such as handguns must be registered with the RCMP. Long guns — rifles and shotguns that are mainly used for hunting and sport shooting — no longer need to be registered in Canada, except in Quebec.
    Canadians have been debating the value of the long gun registry for years. The Ontario Superior Court ruled in 2014 against a constitutional challenge to the Conservative law abolishing the registry, saying "there is no reliable evidence" the decision "actually has, or will, increase the incidence of violence or death by firearms."
    Morin said there was never a proper debate in Quebec about the registry because gun control has been a highly sensitive issue in the province since the 1989 Ecole Polytechnique shootings. "The anti-gun lobby is hiding behind those victims," Morin said. "There is no one at the political level who wants to displease these people."

    Heidi Rathjen, co-ordinator of PolySeSouvient, a gun-control group formed after the 1989 Polytechnique massacre, lobbied for the creation of the Quebec registry. She rejects arguments it is a waste of money, pointing to provincial police statistics showing 80 per cent of firearms seized during crimes over the past 20 years were long guns.
    Rathjen said a registry is essential because guns cannot be controlled if the government doesn't know how many there are and where they are.
    "We've had the democratic debate," she said. "The bill was passed. This is now a question of whether or not the current government will yield to the pressure of a minority or will uphold the law."

    So there is approximately 1.3 million firearms that are not as yet registered. If we allow a figure of 3 firearms per person. That means roughly 434,000 individuals who would be subject to a fine of $5000 come January 29, 2019. That should be worth something in the order of $ 2.2 billion if fines when collected, that would be quite a cash cow for the Quebec government, if they are able to collect all of it. I have to assume gun owners can challenge the fine in court. I can’t imagine how tied up the court system will be with gun owners fighting the fine. I was under the impression that democracy was all about protect the rights of minorities. It will be definitely interesting to see how this plays out.

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    I will be honest If I lived in Quebec I would not register and I would continue hunting.
    "This is about unenforceable registration of weapons that violates the rights of people to own firearms."—Premier Ralph Klein (Alberta)Calgary Herald, 1998 October 9 (November 1, 1942 – March 29, 2013) OFAH Member

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    I would never put myself into a position where I was charged with a firearms infraction. I would register and then work to remove that government that allowed it to happen. Fighting a government in court would likely bankrupt most people. Our judiciary all the way to the SCC is packed with left leaning activists who feel entitled to create laws.
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    I would just move out of Quebec.
    They say a man turns old when sorrow and regret take the place of hope and dreams

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    Than the registry will not go away. A major reason the LGR had so many problems is because less than half of the firearms were registered.
    Quebec cannot give you a criminal charge just fines.


    Quote Originally Posted by terrym View Post
    I would never put myself into a position where I was charged with a firearms infraction. I would register and then work to remove that government that allowed it to happen. Fighting a government in court would likely bankrupt most people. Our judiciary all the way to the SCC is packed with left leaning activists who feel entitled to create laws.
    "This is about unenforceable registration of weapons that violates the rights of people to own firearms."—Premier Ralph Klein (Alberta)Calgary Herald, 1998 October 9 (November 1, 1942 – March 29, 2013) OFAH Member

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhite View Post
    Than the registry will not go away. A major reason the LGR had so many problems is because less than half of the firearms were registered.
    Quebec cannot give you a criminal charge just fines.

    Help me out here, so you don’t register your guns and they fine you $5000. You pay the fine and you still refuse to register your guns. What then?


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    Just like the RCMP could not toss thousands of Canadians in jail the Quebec Police will not. You have to fight back.

    Did you think that the LGR went away only because Harper wanted it to go away? It was largely possible because those that did not register which amounted to more than half help to make it possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Help me out here, so you don’t register your guns and they fine you $5000. You pay the fine and you still refuse to register your guns. What then?


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    "This is about unenforceable registration of weapons that violates the rights of people to own firearms."—Premier Ralph Klein (Alberta)Calgary Herald, 1998 October 9 (November 1, 1942 – March 29, 2013) OFAH Member

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhite View Post
    I will be honest If I lived in Quebec I would not register and I would continue hunting.
    Easy to say when your a non-resident....

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    What a futile effort for the police to try and find 1.3 million non-compliant guns...even with the outdated data from the previous registry, they have no way of knowing where the guns are if the owner says he sold them. They will only find the odd ones during searches and those discovered during spot checks during hunting season.

    I think the majority of firearm owners are calling the 'political' bluff and will never register there LGRs....much like they did during the original registry.
    Last edited by MikePal; January 13th, 2019 at 08:18 AM.

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