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    There's hardly an underground miner in this area who doesn't make the sunshine list once bonus and o/t is factored in. The sunshine list is obsolete when capped at $100,000. The same can be said for many police officers, railroad employees, etc once o/t is included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawbill View Post
    There's hardly an underground miner in this area who doesn't make the sunshine list once bonus and o/t is factored in. The sunshine list is obsolete when capped at $100,000. The same can be said for many police officers, railroad employees, etc once o/t is included.
    Agreed! People don’t realize that police budgets have been cut to the bone, resulting in pretty much unlimited overtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ontariofarmer View Post
    Pensions twice as good as the best private sector pensions compare a UAW pension with a government pension And the UAW pensions are likely the best in the private sector
    What does an American union pension have to do with Ontario?
    It's been almost 35 years since the UAW got kicked out of Canada with the exception of one local in the Windsor area IIRC.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ontariofarmer View Post
    Sunshine lists. Speak for themselves. Pensions twice as good as the best private sector pensions compare a UAW pension with a government pension And the UAW pensions are likely the best in the private sector
    Hours of work that are better than most of the private sector workers
    Much greater performance accountability in the private sector. Greater job security generally

    There are many fine public servants who serve including many with the MNR and OmAFRA and police and doctors and nurses but it is a gravy train served by middle class working Joes Wages and benefits exceed the private sector in many respects
    Some areas of government hinder businesses too. Is that not why Chrysler is leaving Windsor


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    UAW was replaced with CAW which is now Unifor,but,we get your point.
    Society needs to stop bending to the will of the delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsman View Post
    What does an American union pension have to do with Ontario?
    It's been almost 35 years since the UAW got kicked out of Canada with the exception of one local in the Windsor area IIRC.
    Sorry CAW or Unifor


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ontariofarmer View Post
    Sunshine lists. Speak for themselves. Pensions twice as good as the best private sector pensions compare a UAW pension with a government pension And the UAW pensions are likely the best in the private sector
    Hours of work that are better than most of the private sector workers
    Much greater performance accountability in the private sector. Greater job security generally

    There are many fine public servants who serve including many with the MNR and OmAFRA and police and doctors and nurses but it is a gravy train served by middle class working Joes Wages and benefits exceed the private sector in many respects
    Some areas of government hinder businesses too. Is that not why Chrysler is leaving Windsor


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    Always kills me when someone complains about anotherís persons better working conditions. How about you work toward bettering your working conditions instead of trying to cut down your fellow workers!!


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    UNIFORís compensation is not funded by tax payers. If they negotiate their contracts and the result is manufacturers decide to leave the country for more profitable places then they have shot themselves in the foot. No sympathy.
    The same canít be said of CUPE, OPSEU and OMERS. They operate in a monopoly where taxpayers are legislated into paying, no choice. You can choose not to support GM or FIAT. I noticed something interesting today. Kids werenít in school. Teachers get both Good Friday ďandĒ Easter Monday. The private sector donít. Itís these entitlements that accumulate and make the civil service no longer sustainable. Every dollar civil servents get comes from somebody elseís pocket. Mostly people who worked today so they didnít have to. Those imbalances are coming to an end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrym View Post
    UNIFOR’s compensation is not funded by tax payers. If they negotiate their contracts and the result is manufacturers decide to leave the country for more profitable places then they have shot themselves in the foot. No sympathy.
    The same can’t be said of CUPE, OPSEU and OMERS. They operate in a monopoly where taxpayers are legislated into paying, no choice. You can choose not to support GM or FIAT. I noticed something interesting today. Kids weren’t in school. Teachers get both Good Friday “and” Easter Monday. The private sector don’t. It’s these entitlements that accumulate and make the civil service no longer sustainable. Every dollar civil servents get comes from somebody else’s pocket. Mostly people who worked today so they didn’t have to. Those imbalances are coming to an end.
    So, if someone works for a UNIFOR shop....Ford for instance, who pays for that persons pension ?? I can tell you.....I did when I bought several trucks over the years! Every dollar in wages earned, came from the “public”, whether it be through consumer prices paid, or tax revenue.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_iles View Post
    So, if someone works for a UNIFOR shop....Ford for instance, who pays for that persons pension ?? I can tell you.....I did when I bought several trucks over the years! Every dollar in wages earned, came from the “public”, whether it be through consumer prices paid, or tax revenue.....
    Not intending to derail this thread,but,Let me make this crystal clear. Unifor members paid for their own pension plans as negotiated as part of their pay packages and there's always been a quid pro quo during negotiations,especially,when an auto company agreed to a contribution percentage of that package. It always became a trade off somewhere else in the agreement. No auto company ever gave their employees one damn thing except the job. The very idea that the car companies were just one big benevolent enterprise is nuts. Autoworkers worked for everything they got. There was never any doubt that they worked the prescribed job and the company paid you at the end of the week. That's where the employee/employer obligation ended,pure and simple. Wages and benefits represented less than 5% of the wholesale cost of every vehicle.
    Last edited by trimmer21; April 22nd, 2019 at 06:33 PM.
    Society needs to stop bending to the will of the delusional.

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    I think the main point is taxpayers are sick of funding rich salaryís and pensions for government employees
    My only point was government pensions are much better than one of the better private sector pensions

    I have no pension long hours and greater risk as a self employed person and have to fund these government pensions and sunshine lists

    Many government employees do a fine job but the unions protect the ones that do not

    The result is unsustainable debt and more taxes As far as MNFR cuts. We all like services but if we cannot afford them they need to be cut or stream lined or soon the province will be like Greece - bankrupt



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    Last edited by Ontariofarmer; April 23rd, 2019 at 06:48 AM.

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