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    What does John Q. Public think of hunters... ?

    Geezuz, apparently much more highly than we think of each other !!
    Another judgement thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie View Post
    What does John Q. Public think of hunters... ?

    Geezuz, apparently much more highly than we think of each other !!
    Another judgement thread.
    Night, night
    Yep,personal pissin' contests between posters really is getting quite tiresome. Maybe,that's why the forum is becoming more and more "quiet"? This stuff really needs to stop or the Liberals will ban all firearms and hunting in Canada will be a thing of the past. Oh well,I guess there's always Euchre and Golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie View Post
    What does John Q. Public think of hunters... ?
    The truth of the matter...Not much;

    In an online survey conducted by Insights West, 91 per cent of British Columbians and 84 per cent of Albertans said they opposed hunting animals for sport.

    “There is a clear distinction between hunting for food and hunting for sport,” said Mario Canseco, vice president of public affairs at Insights West.

    “The level of animosity when it comes to a practice like hunting for sport, it’s the highest I’ve ever seen. But if they feel the animal is going to be used in other ways, like food, then the numbers shift.”
    The problem is 'John Q' , thru Social Media etc, only see Hunters in the worst light..crouched behind a dead animal for the "Trophy ' pic.

    That is the image they have and it's because it's the image we've provided them with..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    The problem is 'John Q' , thru Social Media etc, only see Hunters in the worst light..crouched behind a dead animal for the "Trophy ' pic.

    That is the image they have and it's because it's the image we've provided them with..
    Education, education, education, as I stated before, people are not aware of the laws. They think that people go out and hunt a deer for its head and that bears are left in the bush to rot. I was able to talk to vegans, vegetarians and non-hunters and talk with them about how we raise our domestic food on our farm and how hunting is legal in Ontario and all of them told me that they had no idea, that they would eat meat from me or consider hunting for their meat rather than eat meat from a factory farm.

    There is a difference between high fence and free run but if high fence operations help the overall population (think Africa) then is it really that bad? When native wildlife populations go up due to the ability to hunt them, the financial value on them then is "Trophy" hunting a bad thing?

    The people on here who complain about African Trophy hunting are the same ones who were crying that we needed the spring bear hunt back for economic reasons, how is this any different than what goes on in Africa? The truth is it does not, there is no difference, but a black bear on Facebook does not draw as much attention as a lion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Education, education, education, as I stated before, people are not aware of the laws. They think that people go out and hunt a deer for its head and that bears are left in the bush to rot. I was able to talk to vegans, vegetarians and non-hunters and talk with them about how we raise our domestic food on our farm and how hunting is legal in Ontario and all of them told me that they had no idea, that they would eat meat from me or consider hunting for their meat rather than eat meat from a factory farm.

    There is a difference between high fence and free run but if high fence operations help the overall population (think Africa) then is it really that bad? When native wildlife populations go up due to the ability to hunt them, the financial value on them then is "Trophy" hunting a bad thing?

    The people on here who complain about African Trophy hunting are the same ones who were crying that we needed the spring bear hunt back for economic reasons, how is this any different than what goes on in Africa? The truth is it does not, there is no difference, but a black bear on Facebook does not draw as much attention as a lion.
    Absolutely. As I've tried to point out, whether people support hunting depends entirely on how hunting is presented.

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    We live in an era where we put labels on everything, whether it makes sense or not. Hunting for sport sound or implies like you're just hunting for fun. Sport fishing is defined as you can take the maximum limit allowed. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onelessarrow View Post
    We live in an era where we put labels on everything, whether it makes sense or not. Hunting for sport sound or implies like you're just hunting for fun. Sport fishing is defined as you can take the maximum limit allowed. Go figure.
    The term trophy hunting is much like the term hate speech in today's day and age.

    Everyone loves to throw the term around but truth is that it's not something that is cut and dried or easy to necessarily define except perhaps at the very farthest extreme.

    In all the provinces in Canada it's illegal to waste any usable part of an animal so by that definition there is no such thing as trophy hunting in Canada.

    If someone draws a once in a lifetime tag, even though they are eating the meat, is that trophy hunting? Is it in immoral?

    Now let's look at hunting in Africa. Regardless of how hard or easy the hunt might be, if you're paying to hunt an animal and the local population benefit from the money and the meat and you take home a head or just photos is that trophy hunting? Is that immoral? Is it any more wrong or right compared to the first example because it happens to be in another country?

    I believe that what most people label as trophy hunting is actually poaching. It's the concept of going out and killing an animal and just taking its head with no other point, which is generally illegal, that people call trophy hunting but really oh, it's just poaching.





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    30 Years ago it was normal to see a deer on the front of a car or in the back of a pickup in NB and I assume probably the same in Ontario. The reason so many people are offended is because we were forced to hide over time. Heck mom use to take her gun to school right into the classroom in the 1950's and I use to keep mine in the car in highschool in the 1980's as well hunter safety was a course in school. Over time the anti's slowly forced these things out to isolate hunters and they succeeded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Education, education, education, .
    True, but not so much in trying to educate the general public to understand hunting, but more effort put into educating Hunters on what the public sees as offensive about our sport and stop posting stuff on Social media and Youtube that exacerbates the negative attitude towards the sport.

    Remember that 1.50 minute Youtube video of the grizzly bear in B.C. rolling down the mountain, the white snow covered in blood, as the hunters repeatedly took shots at it. It not only single handily entrenched 91% of the general public in B.C. to oppose hunting animals for sport, it was also instrumental in cancelling the bear hunt in B.C.

    When that thread ran on here a great deal of the guys..fellow hunters, continued to defend the actions of the hunters. Completely tone deaf to how it was being perceived by the general public. We are most of the time our own worse enemies when it comes to public perception of Hunters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Stewart View Post
    I believe that what most people label as trophy hunting is actually poaching. It's the concept of going out and killing an animal and just taking its head with no other point, which is generally illegal, that people call trophy hunting but really oh, it's just poaching.
    I think how a Hunter understands 'Trophy' hunting differs in how John Q. Public sees 'Trophy' hunting. They do not see it being about taking parts of the animal as keepsakes..they see it merely as killing an animal (exotic especially) for sport.

    I recent times, all it takes for a celebrity to be tarnished on social media is to be seen kneeling behind a dead animal with a big smile on their face. Worse if it's an animal that garners public sympathy. Remember Cecil the Lion who was shoot back in 2015, the outrage had nothing to do with what would happen to him after in regards to a 'Trophy'.

    It's about killing animals for sport that the vast amount of the general public have a hard time with.
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