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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    This guy on the NP has few good points. Especially it was great his Starbucks sippy cup vs straw concern comparison.At the other hand he does not explain WHY we need that many plastic.He says-to protect our Oceans from plastic ,build dumps.How the humankind survived without plastic bags and plastic straws and plastic everywhere?Just 50 years ago ,when the modern -consumerism oriented society was in full growth mode,most of this was unheard of.There was no epical scale of food poisoning,and it was Ok to drink liquids from a glass,without straw .Just to name a few.

    Lets make a point-i am not defending Trudeau's initiative here..........but condemning our lack of respect for the environment.
    My wife came home from a store this morning.She bought groceries for her and me.Just part of our grocery needs,not enought even for a week.There were 4 plastic bags for-bulk sweet potato,bulk apple ,bulk bananas and bulk lemon.There was 1 hard plastic bag for yellow skinned potatoes and one with tomatoes,2 plastic hard tubs for sour cream and cottage cheese.One hard tub of cherry tomatoes. All this,for her and for me.Just for part of a week

    Most of this groceries CAN NOT be bought any other way in any kind of Big Box store/Grocery store-and slowly even Farmers markets go down this road.
    The answer is not-Sending Well Funded teams of Canadians to build Dumps,but to REDUCE plastic use,to the level we were 50 years ago ,and we were doing quite well.
    if you want to really know what we did with out plastic 50 years ago. Glass, paper, card board, wax( yup some things were coated in wax), wood, straw( grass), clothes( cheese cloth, cotton, wool).
    Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    The answer is not-Sending Well Funded teams of Canadians to build Dumps,but to REDUCE plastic use,to the level we were 50 years ago ,and we were doing quite well.
    That comment falls in the category of 'idealism'...the not so realistic Hollywood imprinted memory of how wonderful things were way back when...it wasn't.

    Consumers now demand products that are grown/produced 1/2 a world away but want them at rock bottom prices...to accommodate this shipping items has to be light weight and able to preserve the freshness....ie plastics..they are not going away.

    A recent poll found that 2/3 of the people on the bandwagon want to see less plastic but won't spend more than $100/yr on their grocery bill to alter the status quo.

    The survey results, the first in a series from a poll commissioned by CBC News and conducted by Public Square Research and Maru/Blue to capture a portrait of the country in this election year, found that while nearly two-thirds of Canadians see fighting climate change as a top priority, half of those surveyed would not shell out more than $100 per year in taxes to prevent climate change, the equivalent of less than $9 a month.
    The environmental /economic solution is too recycle the plastic that is produced..

    According to the U.S. EPA, plastic recycling results in significant energy savings compared with production of new plastics using virgin material.

    • It costs approximately $4,000 to recycle one ton of plastic bags. But the selling price of these recycled bags is a couple of times more than the cost.
    • 1,000–2,000 gallons of gasoline can be saved by recycling just one ton of plastics.
    • Producing plastic products from recycled plastics reduces energy requirements by 66 percent.
    • Around 2,000 pounds of oil, the amount of water used by one person in two month’s time and two people’s energy consumption for one year can be saved by recycling just one ton of plastic wastes.

    • Targets: A possible a national recycling target of at least 85 per cent by 2025, and 100 per cent captured, so that no more plastic is entering the environment
    • Legislation: Putting the onus on producers to be financially and operationally responsible for cleaning up their own plastic products. Similar to how beer bottles are returned to the beer store for recycling"
    A recent report done by Deloitte and ChemInfo Services for Environment and Climate Change Canada found a 90-per-cent plastics recycling rate in Canada could create 42,000 jobs.
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    The reality...

    Good article that shows the truth of the matter....few would give up the conveniences we have to make our lives more environmentally friendly:

    The concern about cost was most starkly demonstrated when respondents were asked how much they would be willing to pay in taxes every year to help prevent climate change.

    Nearly one-third, or 32 per cent, said they were unwilling to pay anything at all, while 17 per cent said they would be willing to pay less than $100 in taxes every year. Netflix's most basic plan comes in at a yearly price tag of $120.

    Another 16 per cent of respondents were willing to pay between $100 and $500 per year — the equivalent of between $8.33 and $41.67 per month. Just seven per cent were willing to pay between $500 and $1,000 per year, while only three per cent would pay more than $1,000 per year in taxes to help prevent climate change.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...ange-1.5178514
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    The reality...

    Good article that shows the truth of the matter....few would give up the conveniences we have to make our lives more environmentally friendly:




    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ele...ange-1.5178514
    What’s that saying again? Talk is cheap? Those self righteous virtue signalling hypocrites like to preach as long as the other pays for it. Climate change Trudough burns more jet fuel in the government planes and spews more emissions on completely useless trips but hey, they drink water out of boxes right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowwalker View Post
    if you want to really know what we did with out plastic 50 years ago. Glass, paper, card board, wax( yup some things were coated in wax), wood, straw( grass), clothes( cheese cloth, cotton, wool).
    I know very well,was around ,and we did quite well.Most of the things You mentioned are renewable resources.Key is not to make them disposable,but reliable,sturdy enough and reusable.You know,my Mom is still using her willow weave Shopping basket from the 60-ies.Twice a week she uses it. Now,she was not brought up in a throw away environment............

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    [QUOTE=MikePal;1087182]That comment falls in the category of 'idealism'...the not so realistic Hollywood imprinted memory of how wonderful things were way back when....it wasn't.

    Well Mike -This comment falls into category of "ignorance and denial".
    I never said anywhere ,the things were wonderful back then.What i said is-we did well without the plastics.We can debate this all year long,but we did.
    Now-all the rest of the comments are very well in category of"realism"because ppl do talk,but they are not willing to spend on environment.

    Truly reducing and recycling is the answer.........however we need to remember that the heralded NP guy was promoting-BURY the plastic.

    Big big difference in opinions juts in few posts........burying in dumps or recycling/reusing !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    Big big difference in opinions juts in few posts........burying in dumps or recycling/reusing !
    Actually, as I stated a few pages back, I'm for incineration waste and producing usable energy. Singapore found the answer for saving this planet....divert 60% to recycle, re-purpose and re-use...incinerate the rest...

    And then there’s Climate Barbie, the Minister of the Environment, the Liberals appointee to develop innovative ideas for Canada to become a world leader in finding a solution to Climate Change and what does she come up with…..she bans Drinking Straws….HaHa..
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    Maybe Turdo should concern himself more with the gross overpackaging of his overpriced gubmint weed.
    Last week I was working out of town,and against my better judgement and breaking my vow to NOT give Turdo one extra cent of my hard earned money then he already takes every week,I stopped in to local weed shop.
    2x3.5gram BUCKETS of weed....one of the 3.5g doses came in a cardboard box.Inside that cardboard box was a hard plastic/non-recyclable pill bottle,complete with paper backed aluminum foil seal,the container is large enough to hold at least 2-3x as much product as what is found inside.
    The other 3.5 grammar came in a large square single use plastic container the size of a bloody Rubik’s cube for Chrissakes!! Could easily stuff an ounce in that thing.
    IIRC, I paid around $67 all in with taxes on top of taxes......could bought the same 7g in a 3 cent sandwich bag for 50 bucks from the kid at 7/11 if I was closer to home,and his weed kicks Turdo weed’s azz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grinr View Post
    Maybe Turdo should concern himself more with the gross overpackaging of his overpriced gubmint weed.
    Last week I was working out of town,and against my better judgement and breaking my vow to NOT give Turdo one extra cent of my hard earned money then he already takes every week,I stopped in to local weed shop.
    2x3.5gram BUCKETS of weed....one of the 3.5g doses came in a cardboard box.Inside that cardboard box was a hard plastic/non-recyclable pill bottle,complete with paper backed aluminum foil seal,the container is large enough to hold at least 2-3x as much product as what is found inside.
    The other 3.5 grammar came in a large square single use plastic container the size of a bloody Rubikís cube for Chrissakes!! Could easily stuff an ounce in that thing.
    IIRC, I paid around $67 all in with taxes on top of taxes......could bought the same 7g in a 3 cent sandwich bag for 50 bucks from the kid at 7/11 if I was closer to home,and his weed kicks Turdo weedís azz.


    Medical verses Recreational ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
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    Medical verses Recreational ???
    Been medicating for recrational purposes for almost 40 years now.....never needed Turdo’s permission for 4 decades,sure as F didn’t vote for it.

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