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    Apparently this has really upset a lot of Canadians:

    "Canadians who want to steer clear of investing in gun companies are out of luck if they pay into the Canada Pension Plan.

    CPP owns shares in American firearm manufacturers, including the parent company of handgun manufacturer Smith & Wesson, assault rifle maker Ruger and Olin Corp., which produces ammunition for the AR-15, the weapon of choice for many perpetrators of mass shootings.

    The holdings are highlighted in a new report coming from Corporate Knights, a Canadian magazine focused on ethical investing, and come after another bloody weekend in the U.S., where seven people were killed and 25 injured in a mass shooting in west Texas.

    "CPP does have systems in place to weed out some ethically egregious stocks," said Toby Heaps, who publishes Corporate Knights. "But I think they've made a call that there's not necessarily a consensus on gun stocks."
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cpp...ocks-1.5264497
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    As long as the dividends keep rolling in,I don't have an issue with it. It's not like we're investing in Mexican drug cartels.
    I like my firearms like Liberals like voters-----undocumented.

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    What’s the problem? I buy legal products from all those companies.
    CBC spreading garbage again.
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    I'm sure the Lefties want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    As long as the dividends keep rolling in,I don't have an issue with it. It's not like we're investing in Mexican drug cartels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    Apparently this has really upset a lot of Canadians:



    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cpp...ocks-1.5264497

    "Unfortunately, it's quite common that guns are inside of mutual funds and ETFs [exchange-traded funds], unless you have a mutual fund that is explicitly socially responsible," Nash said


    Why is investing in guns deemed not to be socially responsible? How does purchasing a gun made you somehow not socially responsible? In my mind a gun is a tool, not something that jumps off the table and kills someone. In the minds of too many the latter possibility of that statement appears to be the reality of the gun. Guns have somehow developed the notoriety of being some type of inanimate killing machines that are not socially responsible. It follows along in the same mentality that has been used to separate the sin from the sinner. It has made the gun a sin.


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    I think it is socially responsible to support and invest in companies like Colt Canada (Kitchener) as they make firearms for some of the most elite military units and police services in the world, providing tools for the people of those professions that keep us all safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    I think it is socially responsible to support and invest in companies like Colt Canada (Kitchener) as they make firearms for some of the most elite military units and police services in the world, providing tools for the people of those professions that keep us all safer.
    Well MikePal, I believe Allan Rock would certainly endorse that view. As I recall when the Liberals shoved Bill C-68 down our throats. Rock was the leading advocate of the notion, that only the police and the military were worthy of firearms, the rest of us sods seem to lack the sophistication to be worthy of gun ownership and use. I still have the black on orange yard sign in the shed that reads REMEMBER BILL C- 68. It an enduring reminder of the belittling attitude liberal have with respect to us firearm owners.


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    Well...

    CPP is a managed portfolio like any other investment vehicle.

    While it is in the interest of it's managers to invest ethically, it is also important to distinguish where ethics and morals, stop.

    A manufacturer of pharmaceuticals is extremely profitable, and a good investment. Does it mean that you shouldn't buy shares because criminals use their products to manufacture illegal narcotics?

    Perhaps it would be preferable if CPP only invests in wind power, solar power, weed, and other industries which carry the cachet of being "good"...

    Watch a portfolio become devalued and underfunded in record time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    It an enduring reminder of the belittling attitude liberal have with respect to us firearm owners.d.
    I think your holding too narrow a point point of view...same problem the NRA has, not seeing the bigger picture. I think the letter from the CEO of Walmart outlined was the closest thing to a responsible appraoch in today's climate.


    And you can relax...Colt Canada also make products for the sport shooters and hunters...

    https://www.coltcanada.com/sa-models.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    I think your holding too narrow a point point of view...same problem the NRA has, not seeing the bigger picture. I think the letter from the CEO of Walmart outlined was the closest thing to a responsible appraoch in today's climate.


    And you can relax...Colt Canada also make products for the sport shooters and hunters...

    https://www.coltcanada.com/sa-models.html




    Well MikePal it may be that my view point is a bit narrow, but it’s a product based upon past observation. Let me begin by saying, that I believe the jury is still out on this one. However I have observed that once the anti-gun lobby see an opening they have a dog determination to keep exploiting it. After Walmart, it really comes down to a case of what retailer to target net. The approach: holding up Walmart as being a good corporate citizen, and shaming others into following Walmart’s lead. It should work like a charm. Not only does it by-pass the question of Second Amendment Rights and the rule of law. It reduces the matter to a question of corporate ethics. If anything the SNC-Lavalin affair has come to demonstrate, that good corporate ethics appear to matter big time.

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