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October 24th, 2019, 02:46 PM
#21
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October 24th, 2019 02:46 PM
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October 24th, 2019, 05:40 PM
#22
Just wondering why 60grs when most are between 90grs - 110grs
Three of us in are group are extremely happy with blackhorn209. 15+shots and easy loading one guy with bone collector was 22shots using Barnes bullets
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October 24th, 2019, 07:23 PM
#23
Originally Posted by
js4fn
Just wondering why 60grs when most are between 90grs - 110grs
When I'm just plinking at 50 yds for the first time with a new powder to get the scope on paper etc, I use a light load, saves powder. I move up to a larger load when I move out to the 100.
I wouldn't have thought that less powder in a load would cause that much fouling, I read that BH209 was suppose to leave almost an 'ash' residue, but as you can see on the swabs, that is significant fouling for only 10 loads.
I'll bump it up to 80 the next time out and see what happens...maybe the extra heat will burn off the residue
I was looking for answers and found a few guys on other forums had the same issue with no answers yet.
lastly, do you guys that use b/h209 have the tar like residue? its more of an oily soot not unlike the nasty residue coming out of an old diesel engine between exhaust connections or a leaking turbo.. sort of like a partially burned oil like crap... its not really noticeable at first but after about 10 rounds i notice it building up around the crown of the barrel and if i swab the patch comes out really nasty.
edit add; I saw a few guys comments on other forums that do indicate the problem/solution is you have to use larger loads to prevent the crud build up.
So I've per loaded up some 80gr loads to see if that solves the problem.
One of the things I have noticed in three different muzzys that I have set up with BH209 is that low charges of the powder do leave more fouling in the barrel. On my 45 cal guns that seemed to disappear when I got to 70 grains volume of the powder. On the 50 cal that point was about 80 grains volume. This powder likes speed and shoots very good when up around 110 - 120 grains volume.
Last edited by MikePal; October 25th, 2019 at 06:03 AM.
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October 25th, 2019, 05:13 AM
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In my opinion, the benefits of BH209 do not outweigh those of T7. I found T7 is MUCH easier to use and most importantly MUCH more dependable to go "bang" when you pull the trigger.
I tried BH209 and did everything right, following their ignition instructions to a T, but still has spotty ignition performance at the range. I should have known better not to use it for hunting.
After losing a gorgeous buck because of delayed ignition, I wont touch the stuff anymore. Too fussy for me. Be careful of this if you use it!
Last edited by Ahuntr300; October 25th, 2019 at 05:16 AM.
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October 27th, 2019, 05:26 AM
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Has too much time on their hands
Mike, it seems you are Powder starving your load. If you bump the powder charge to recommended amounts that ring should just disappear.
ML’s do funny things when you have to little powder. BH209 is the only powder I’d use if I was stuck only being able to use BP or substitutes.
Last edited by Big Jack; October 27th, 2019 at 05:29 AM.
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October 27th, 2019, 06:30 AM
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Last edited by MikePal; October 27th, 2019 at 07:27 AM.
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October 27th, 2019, 07:43 AM
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[QUOTE]In my opinion, the benefits of BH209 do not outweigh those of T7. I found T7 is MUCH easier to use and most importantly MUCH more dependable to go "bang" when you pull the trigger.
I tried BH209 and did everything right, following their ignition instructions to a T, but still has spotty ignition performance at the range. I should have known better not to use it for hunting.
After losing a gorgeous buck because of delayed ignition, I wont touch the stuff anymore. Too fussy for me. Be careful of this if you use it!/QUOTE]
Actually BH209 is well known for being super reliable,even when its a little wet. I bet you where using a primer that was designed for muzzle loaders? 7 series powders etc. These wont work with BH209, you need a super hot primer, CCI and Federal 209 shotgun primers are recommended. I personally have been using BH209 for the last 5 years with no residue or ignition issues. Unlike the 7 series powders I switched from.
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October 27th, 2019, 11:53 AM
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[/QUOTE]Actually BH209 is well known for being super reliable,even when its a little wet. I bet you where using a primer that was designed for muzzle loaders? 7 series powders etc. These wont work with BH209, you need a super hot primer, CCI and Federal 209 shotgun primers are recommended. I personally have been using BH209 for the last 5 years with no residue or ignition issues. Unlike the 7 series powders I switched from.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Fishhawk - Tried everything including what you suggested. I told you I followed instructions to the letter! This was not my first rodeo at muzzle loading. Maybe had a bad batch is a more likely explanation or powder has a problem with colder temperatures (reported by others too).
Loaded it the night before - super dry, super clean bore and breech hole. Next morning using CCL hot primer - it was cold- pulled the trigger at a buck - the primer fired, but nothing happened for 2 seconds, then the shot fired, after I moved the scope reticles off the buck - Grrrr! f#@k! LOL. Did this at the range too. should have known better then.
PS used a Thompson ML, on the OK list for BH209 supposedly.
Last edited by Ahuntr300; October 27th, 2019 at 12:08 PM.
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November 1st, 2019, 04:08 AM
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Well I'm going to wrap up this trail. I hit the range with 80gr and 90 gr of BH209 the other day and came away a little happier. The crud ring at the crown did diminish with 80 gr and by 90gr wasn't noticeable.
I however found my groups opened up at 90gr so I backed off to 80 gr and they are were hitting much better. Considering I was getting even better groups at 60gr, I'm sure I'm going to find a sweet spot somewhere between 60-80 grs. Which isn't unexpected because my Traditions ML/ PR bullet combo like 85 grs of T7 and BH209 is suppose to be better, so it should use less, probably in the range of 70 grs by the time I'm done.
But it will mean that swabbing will be required, which I do with T7 so not a biggy.
All in All ...I won't buy BH209 again however. The added cost isn't worth the slight increase ( 75gr BH209 vs 85gr T7) in performance and the extra effort required to keep the residue at the crown in check while using a plinking load.
I stopped into GunMart yesterday and asked about the cost of BH209 and it's sells there for $75. (Note: I bought this bottle there two years ago for $62)
I stopped at CT in Brockville, their listed price for T7 is $55 but I got lucky and found one on sale for $46. Almost 1/2 the cost of BH209...so I'm going back to using it.
It was fun going thru the paces again with a new powder; surprising and frustrating all at the same time...but never a bad day on a range making smoke.
Last edited by MikePal; November 1st, 2019 at 04:56 AM.
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January 6th, 2021, 03:21 PM
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